Was the destruction of the twin towers scientifically possible on 9/11

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Oh yes it does, it does ...Anyone familiar with the EvC debate will recall the Great Thermodynamics Debacle.Well, here's the "9/11 Truth" version:

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Adding in the Second Law of Thermodynamics ("law of increasing entropy") leads to the conclusion that the likelihood of near-symmetrical collapse of the building due to fires (the "government" theory) -- requiring as it does near-simultaneous failure of many support columns -- is infinitesimal. Yet near-symmetrical collapse of WTC-7 was observed.

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The idea that the WTC buildings fell straight down from asymmetric airplane crashes and subsequent random fires blatantly violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics: Second ...thermodynamics - Wikipedia

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In short, it is not possible to get an ordered reaction (here: straight-down collapse) from a disordered stimulus (here: asymmetric airplane crashes and subsequent random fires).

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3. Initially, the dust from WTC2 formed very distinct cauliflower shapes which were resilient to diffusion for some time. However, eventually entropy increased, as we would expect, and the dust diffused into the air and the cauliflower shapes were no longer apparent. A very homogeneous appearance was then observed. This all occurred before the event in the OP. How does the diffused dust/air mixture then re-organize itself into the evident patterns of low and high density mixtures? If this is the formerly diffused dust/air mixture, the newly formed pattern would seem to have an increased amount of order. This would violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics. What is the mechanical explanation for the increased order

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Another nice instance of why Truthers are just like creationists ... and vice versa.

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It's generally assumed gravity is a fact. It's not. It's a theory, invented by Newton and barely three centuries old.

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And randman presents us with yet more reasons why Truthers are like creationists. The unreasearched, unreferenced claims, the unsubstantiated suspicions, the sudden access of expertise in a subject that he's never studied, the conflation of "looks like" with "is", the belief that everything he can't understand proves him right, and the adherence to mutually inconsistent hypotheses.

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A: No human mind is immune to it's effects. Our brains all work off the same frequencies, but if you are closed minded enough to repel it's effects then no worries - it comes with a 90 day money back guarantee so you can't loseEdited by Admin, : Add off-topic note at top.

Go for it. Speak for yourself. I see that you're in no rush to be the first. What do you mean? Do you think they should have collapsed the moment the planes hit, or what? Why? Do you have any science to back you up? Gra-vi-ty. Oh look, it's the CT version of the Gish Gallop.It would be nice if you provided any evidence of these claims. It would have been nicer still if you'd bothered to find out if they were true ... "molten steel", for pity's sake. Sheesh. Well, either you made that up (I'm still not seeing any evidence) or that was a coincidence, or someone knew that terrorists were going to cause panic using planes. Who could that have been? Oh yes ... of course ... the terrorists. Ooh, let's add another item to my list of why CTs are like creationists."Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo it is not enough that you be persecuted by an unkind establishment, you must also be right." No, the CTs will just decide that he's in on the Great Big Conspiracy and the nonsense will go on and on and on ...Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.