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Taz
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Message 1 of 35 (430790)
10-27-2007 2:40 PM


This thread is intended to be a place for us to get off something off our chests in a quick manner. It is intended for random rants and perhaps a few responses. If you want to debate a point brought up in one of these random rants, go and propose a topic.

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Taz
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Message 2 of 35 (430791)
10-27-2007 2:44 PM


Rant on 'Collapse of Darwinism'
I just watched a video called "Collapse of Darwinism". You can look for it on youtube if you want.
Throughout the video, the narrator kept saying that evolution and abiogenesis are all based on random chance. Goddamn it, that is downright a fucking lie. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy fucking neighbor! There is absolutely nothing in the video that is not either a quote mine or downright lie.
I don't know why I sat through the whole thing and managed to not have my head explode.

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Taz
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Message 4 of 35 (430864)
10-27-2007 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by ringo
10-27-2007 5:21 PM


Re: Rant on Missing Citations
For crying out loud, I already gave you everything you needed. Just go to youtube and type in "collapse of darwinism".

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Taz
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Message 12 of 35 (430941)
10-28-2007 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Hyroglyphx
10-28-2007 12:36 AM


Re: Rant on 'Collapse of Darwinism'
Nem writes:
That is partially true.
A half-truth is worse than a lie, nem.

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Taz
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Message 14 of 35 (430983)
10-28-2007 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Hyroglyphx
10-28-2007 2:48 PM


Re: Rant on 'Collapse of Darwinism'
Nem writes:
If natural selection is the only non-random process within the theory of evolution, then the remaining percentage is random.
Look, do yourself a favor and learn some programming. Then use the monte carlo method to solve a physical (preferably chaotic) system.
In other words, the bulk of your program will be calling up random numbers. You only need a single line of if-then. When you're done, come back and we'll talk some more.

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Taz
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Message 16 of 35 (431012)
10-28-2007 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Hyroglyphx
10-28-2007 6:52 PM


Re: Rant on 'Collapse of Darwinism'
Gee, you missed my point.
Your original complaint was that natural selection was a non-random process in a sea of random processes. Hence, you implied that the video was justified to call the whole evolutionary thing a totally random process.
At this point, I'm not even talking about evolution. Any program that uses the monte carlo method would have a single selective if-then statement in a sea of random numbers (I'm talking about literally millions of random numbers here) and random equations. And yet, I've been able to make pretty patterns and very nice curves as a result of this one selective if-then statement in a sea of random processes.
So, clearly, just because a large part of a system depends on a random process doesn't mean you can make a blanket statement and call the whole thing a random process.
That's what I was bitching and moaning about when I watched the video.
Nem jug writes:
Besides that, those functions are at random, so I'm unclear on why you would mention it.
Do you even know what the monte carlo method is? Have you even written a program or attempt to solve a physical or mathematical system with it?
Frankly, having dedicated a large part of my life studying and using these concepts, I find your back hand waving dismissal very insulting.
Here is another rant for you. Produce a scientific paper proving that the rest of us are dumbasses or...

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Taz
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Message 29 of 35 (431215)
10-29-2007 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Rrhain
10-29-2007 4:27 AM


Re: Rant on 'Collapse of Darwinism'
Rrhain writes:
a joke I picked up as an undergrad:
You have a curve. How do you determine the area underneath it?
Well, a mathematician would simply integrate the function and calculate it directly, but not everybody is so blessed as to be a mathematician.
A chemist would graph the function, cut it out, and weigh it, comparing it to the weight of a single square of graph paper.
A physicist would graph the function, put it up on the wall, and then throw a bunch of darts at it randomly. Given the percentage of darts that lands above the curve compared to those that land below, you can determine the area under the curve.
I don't quite remember the way the joke said an engineer would do it...
The engineer would get out a ruler and precisely measure out the dimensions to calculate the area?
Nice joke.

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Taz
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Posts: 5069
From: Zerus
Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 31 of 35 (431300)
10-30-2007 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Rrhain
10-30-2007 4:47 AM


Re: Rant on 'Collapse of Darwinism'
Rrhain writes:
No, that's how you directly calculate the integral. Integration is essentially the sum of inscribed polygons as the width of the polygon goes to zero.
Hahaha. I know. That's the point. Instead of integrating it directly, the engineer uses his ruler to do so. Engineers do use his ruler a lot, you know.
I'm thinking that the engineer simply looks it up in the CRC. Upon finding that it isn't in there, he tells his manager that it isn't going to work.
This works, too.

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