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I haven't declared any victory. I've shown where (I think) you're wrong. Anybody reading this can make up their own minds whose point is stronger - which is why it's important to lay it out very precisely for them. If you don't want to communicate with your audience, you're just wearing out your keyboard for nothing. You're welcome to show some quality on your end.

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Ohmagosh, ringo, you just keep layin it down now for us, don't you. I never said you had declared any victory, I only suggested the distinct possibility--let's say the strong probability--that someone of your bent eventually resorts to such tactics, based upon your rather obvious, pathetic need to impress someone, I suppose. You're that predictable, I'm afraid. You are also more than a bit presumptuous, I dare say, and no doubt quite cantankerous as well--and, yes, let's let the readers of this "exchange of ideas" decide for themselves if perhaps I may exaggerate too much. (On the positive side, your face'd probably launch a thousand covered wagons, if only it were truly yours, my dear (man?)). Seriously, my first impression of you is that you are much too preoccupied with silly nitpicking and gamesmanship than to ever engage someone, particularly someone new to the forum, in any serious substantive discussion. Why is that, ringo... are you really that much superior or something? Of course not, yet you continue accusing me of precisely those things you do yourself. Are you even aware of these tendencies? Suggestion: Try exercising a little more kindness, if you please. That'll help the musturd go down. Bye bye..

Well, ringo, my friend, I suppose I've probably gone and infracted them rules already on this here forum by calling a spade a spade, but perhaps a poor newbie like me can find a bit o' grace owing to the goading he received tonight, ostensibly by some inveterate cowgal with a knockout face and 4685 posts under her belt (or else more'n likely some stumblebum dude with a three-day growth and, well, oh, nevermind...). You win, ringo, you dastardly dingo, whoever you may be....arrghhhh! (And, fade to black...)

My first post deliberately asks that people dont argue too much in this thread. I made it for people who are honestly searching for something more in their lives. If you want to debate things, please use another thread. God loves you, and so do I. But this is not the place for a debate. Yes, I do have answers to what you have stated, but this thread is not the place. I welcome you views, not your arguments. Almost everything in your post I have been over before. I am praying for you, and everyone else in this forum, sincerely that you may come to know Christ as I do.God Bless you, my brother (or sister, but your name suggests you are male) in Christ.

You may also like to read the post I just sent in reply to Brian. God sometimes performs in ways we cannot understand until he explains it. I do not see that I disagreed with the Bible. I stand by the belief that God knows all that has happened, is happening and will happen. He is all-powerful, all-present and all-knowing. (the Bible backs this up). I will also pray ernestly for you that you will come to know Jesus Christ.

gen, How silly of us, most of us come to this debate forum to have a debate.If all you want to do is prosetylise your religion, take it elsewhere.Mark

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God created us. God created the earth. 'The earth' includes our atmosphere, food, water and everything else that keeps us alive. Why is it that a lot of humans completely disregard God for all their lives, and then when someone dies or is hurt or there is some other tradgedy, they scream at God and ask him why he did it? Well, the thing is, he didn't do it. Satan did. Yes, God could have stopped him, but here is the reason:The only reason Satan is still alive is because God allowed it. Now, this may seem weird and cruel to the rest of us, but keep reading. Lucifer (what Satan was called before the fall) had gone around in heaven and convinced a third of the angels that God was unfair. This is because God hadn't included him, the head angel in his plans for the new earth. He was jealous, and like so many people who are just below the top position, tried extremely hard to get to the top. God had to throw Lucifer out of heaven, along with a third of his beloved angels. If God had killed Satan, then everyone would have always wondered what might have happened. We would have obeyed God out of fear, not love. God gave him a chance to show his way on this earth. Please note; Eve didn't have to eat the apple off the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but she gave into temptation and the result was Satan and his demons (fallen angels) being allowed over the whole earth. There is no sin on other planets. Only here. The whole universe is watching to see if we give in to Evil. I pray that you won't. I pray you all will resist. I pray you will all come to know Christ sincerely. Edited by gen, : I said the whole world was watching when I should have said universe.

*Ahem*.... Forum Guidelines Cutting you some slack for being a newbie...but ya gotta read the manual!

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To be fair, I originally did mention 300 years, but was corrected later.

In all three of these circumstances, the people had a chance to surrender to God and live. Noah preached for about 100 years to the people asking them to repent. None repented, but they had the choice. Abraham argued with God enough so that if there were even 10!!! good people in Sodom, then they would be spared. Pharoah had numerous chances to allow the Israelites out. But he declined. But even some of the Egyptians painted blood on their doorposts and were spared. All of Egypt could have done this. They were given the choice. Please do not use profanity. I have eliminated those words in the quote. The sacrifice of the lamb is not merely for the sake of it. It points towards Jesus giving his life to save ours. 'The Creator of the Universe would rather die for you than live without you.' (Thats a quote, but I'm not quite sure who said it). Think on that quote for a minute. In the Old Testament, the Ten Commandments were given to the Israelites by God. Anyone who breaks God's law is worthy of death. A lamb had to die in their place for their sins, because Jesus hadn't come yet. So those sacrifices pointed to the ultimate Sacrifice-Jesus Christ, the Son of God. When Jesus died, he paid for all of our sins. 'The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.' Romans 6:23. He died so we could go to heaven. We, means anyone on this earth. The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. It's a gift! All we have to do is accept it. That's what different about Jesus! Most other religions include people [i]earning[i/] their own Salvation. But God gives it to us for free! Why shouldn't we accept? Romans 10:9 'If you confess with your mouth 'Jesus is Lord' and believe in your heart that God raise him from the dead, you will be saved! It's that simple! God's grace is a free gift to all who take it. Not accepting is like refusing a birthday gift and saying 'I need to earn it.' Sounds silly, doesn't it? That's because it is. Accept God's gift! God's people don't always do what God wants. This is wrong. 'Do not commit adultery.' 'Do not murder.' No-one on earth is perfect. This is exactly the reason we need God's grace. Without it, we would be dead. It is not God that causes these things, but Satan. Without God, the whole reproduction process would not, could not happen. God has given us the ability to do so. God fully deserves our praise. He created us, He died for us, He puts up with our silly whims, and He will take all who accept His gift to heaven one day. He can't do much more.I am praying for you Rahvin, my brother/sister in Christ, that you may come to know Jesus as your Saviour.God Bless.

I stopped replying in that thread because everything was going round in circles and I could see I wouldn't change their minds. The whole Bible agrees, and it was written by over 40 authors over a few thousand years on several different continents! Most of them didn't know each other, though may have read the others books. Especially the Old Testament prophets agree, often without knowing each other, or reading each others books. Any further discussion on this topic should be continued in the aforementioned thread.God Bless.

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You may also like to read the post I just sent in reply to Brian

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Actually I didn't like it. It says that you started this thread to lecture and you do not want better-informed people pointing out your mistakes.

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I do not see that I disagreed with the Bible

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Then go reread Message 39And let us add that you still seem to be contradicting the Bible. In Exodus God does not give Pharoah the chance gto let the Israelites go. He does not give the Pharoah a way out - in fact he iontnetionally stops the Pharoah from choosing the way out. And He does it because he wants to demonstrate his power by inflicting misery, suffering and death on the Egyptians. You may not like this - it may contradict your beliefs but it is what the Bible says.If the Bible is truly the Word of God then it is above your opinions, it is even above the teachings and doctrines of your Church. I hope that one day you recognise this fact - in deed, as well as word.

I deeply regret that you have possibly mistaken this forum for a site where those so inclined may proselytize or witness without comment from the rest of the board members. You seem to be one who truly wishes to share what she feels was a life-changing experience without question or debate. Unfortunately, that is not the nature of this discussion board. If you wish, it is entirely possible to establish a Great Debate topic wherein the participants are limited to one or at most a few members, which would consequently limit the feedback that appears to make you uncomfortable in open debate. Alternatively, you may continue in open fora as here - but be aware that your discussion will be open to all - and your beliefs open to challenge. I fear you may find this forum less-than-fullfilling if all you seek is a place to witness.

hey, okay, adminphat, thanks for that. I had read the manual actually, but admit to losing it and going off on ringo at a point. Sorry for the transgression that way. In retrospect, I suppose I ought to have been more self-disciplined in handling what I perceived as unnecessary badgering on ringo's part. I was clearly in error in taking the tactless route and going ad hominem..

apologies to you also, ringo. you didn't deserve my trirade last night. it was certainly a breach of etiquette on my part, but also, and more importantly, it was overly critical to the point of abusive. that's not what i care to be doing--i'll sooner take my dozen or so posts and head outta Dodge.