Your teeth are killing you -- The Amalgam Myth

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Studies can be biased and flawed.

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Which is more likely to be biased and flawed; a scientific paper that is high enough quality to get published in a respected peer-reviewed professional journal, with findings that have also been replicated by other independent researchers, or people on the internet recounting what they think happened to them and why?Seriously, LindaLou, just think for a minute.Which type of claim do you think is likely to have more bias and more flaws?

Boyd E. Haley ,phD of Chemistry and he is kind of blunt but to the point the ADA is a trade union not a scientific refeered opinion and he actually testified to a Congressional hearing that science is not in agreement with the ADA.======================================================Frankly, outside of the Journal of the American Dental Association or JADA, the ADA's trade journal, which is not a refereed scientific journal, but solely a trade journal, scientific consensus is completely contrary to the ADA's position (note that the ADA escapes adjudication by claiming to be a trade organization with no responsibility to public health.) The fact is that there are no solid, refereed publications showing that mercury is not significantly emitted from dental amalgams. On the contrary, there are several showing significant emissions of mercury from dental amalgams. Page not found > TALKInternational.com TALKInternational.com ADA warns members: Trouble ahead for mercury fillings
The American Dental Association sends out an ADA Update to its members only, but of course we have several Fifth Columnists who wheel it on to us.Gone is the old ADA braggadocio about the Food & Drug Administration finding mercury fillings to be safe. Gone is the time-worn assurance to its members that the good old ADA will take care of any problems those “anti-amalgamists” are stirring up. Instead, the ADA meekly advises its members that warnings are likely, and a ban is conceivable. Page not found > TALKInternational.com TALKInternational.com

Reverse, JADA is peer-reviewed.Home | American Dental Association And the OP mentioned half a dozen studies in premier science journals.From your first link: I can't find anything on this Congressional Hearing (other than quack sites).Here's the link to the Congressional Hearings site:http://www.gpoaccess.gov/chearings/browse.htmlPlease find the original transcripts of the testimony that you are referring to so that I might evaluate it. What?What on earth are you talking about?From your second link. I'm assuming you take this fellow's word for it, eh?Please provide a link to the ADA update.Now, for the standard speech re: ad hominem.Debate the position, not the person/organization.Should your slurs continue, I will bring it to the attention of the moderators.Do you have any evidence you'd like to offer in support of your position?

Hi Molbiogirl,I guess I'm actually addressing this to Reversespin and LindaLou, even though I'm replying to you. I was able to run this down a little. You won't find the report as part of any congressional hearing because it was never part of one. However, Dan Burton, rep. Indiana 5th district, references the report indirectly during testimony of a congressional hearing on California’s Compliance with Dental Amalgam Disclosure Policies: Though Burton says both "subcommittee" and "committee", I think he's referring to his subcommittee each time, which is why you won't find Boyd's report in any congressional hearing report. Interestingly, only anti-mercury amalgam sites have Boyd's report, and only two of them at that. Evidently Boyd's report was made available to them in some form.But whether or not the report was presented at a Congressional hearing or just to a subcommittee, or even if the report was never submitted to any Congressional channel, or even if it's not Boyd's at all, it still seems to be a very accurate reflection of Boyd's views. And though Body is a respected academic with a record of achievement, his views on mercury amalgam are not supported by the evidence.I had the same reaction you did to this: Gasp! Holy conspiracy, Batman!The update is available at the ADA website: July 1 ADA Update (click on the FDA and Amalgam link at the list of links at the top). So much for conspiracies and 5th columns.I guess there's a clear message for people like Reversespin and LindaLou who find appealing the thought of massive conspiracies perpetrated upon an unsuspecting public by an uncaring and faceless industry. The world is a much more interesting place when conspiracies abound, and there's nothing to get the heart rate going and the blood boiling like a massive injustice, but it's all just flim-flam gangs taking advantage of people by appealing to their natural sense of concern and caring for their fellow man and the natural resentment of large faceless forces controlling our destiny. These emotional appeals work, just like many people are vulnerable to the plot lines of tearjerker novels, no matter how many they've already read. But just because these emotional appeals can get you upset, that doesn't make them real.To determine what is real and what isn't takes science. Boring, unemotional science.--PercyEdited by Percy, : "peoples" => "appeals" in next to last paragraph.Edited by Percy, : "Molbiogirl" => "LindaLou" in 1st paragraph.

Dr. Haley PHD Professor of Chemistry words in black explaining that science does not agree with the ADA.Congress has evaluated all the pro's and con's has posted their findings, etc...====================================================(The original newspaper article is written in red and Dr. Haley's comments are in black. Editor.) http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/research/...amalgam_safety.htmlSEC. 2. FINDINGS.(a) General Findings- The Congress finds as follows:http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/HR%204011.htmlEdited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by Admin, : Shorten link.

And well you should, since you are the goody-girl saint of molecular biology who has no trouble at all slurring other people. Case in point”Message 63: So who's bitchin' now?I wouldn't bitch too loudly, "molecular biologist girl," until you learn enough about molecular biology to know that transposons are actually nucleic acids. Check out Message 91, and then tell why you had to quit the discussion because you couldn't hold up your end of it. ”HM

You know, I remember that post vividly.As I was typing it I thought, "I wonder if I should type genetic DNA. Oh the hell with it. He knows what I'm talking about."And sure enough. You jump on it like a chicken on a june bug.And I bailed on you because I didn't feel like round 3.I had repeated myself twice and wasn't up for a third.Wounded left as well, for what I suspect is the same reason.What has any of this to do with amalgams?

Are you arguing from authority?That is, because someone testified before Congress, it means I should give greater weight to his arguments?Sorry, reverse.You need to deal with the evidence. I am not surprised in the least that this bill came to the floor.It didn't pass tho.Should you wish to see a point by point refutations of this silliness:Analysis of U.S. Representative Diane Watson's Statement about the "Mercury in Dental Filling Disclosure and Prohibition Act" | QuackwatchIt simply makes the points I have been making all along.No evidentiary support her goofy ideas.Edited by Admin, : Shorten long link.

Whats Robert S. Baratz degree in Dr. Haley has a PHD in Chemistry.Baratz says mercury is not reactive in an amalgam filling meaning its safe in the human mouth.OSHA disagrees says amalgam fillings are a hazardous waste needing to be placed in a sealed container containing liquid glycerin.====================================================Mercury release from dental amalgams is also the reason OSHA has used this analyzer to make the dentists place unused amalgam in a sealed container under liquid glycerin. This is done so that the mercury vapors from the amalgams will not contaminate the dental office making it an unsafe place to work. This is also the reason the EPA insists that removed amalgam filling and extracted teeth containing amalgam material be picked up and disposed of as toxic waste. Apparently, the only safe place for amalgams is in the human mouth if you believe what the ADA believes8. Hahn, L.J., Kloiber, R., Vimy, M. J., Takahashi, Y. and Lorscheider, F.L. Dental “Silver” Tooth Fillings: A Source of Mercury Exposure Revealed by Whole-Body Image Scan and Tissue Analysis. FASEB J. 3, 2641-2646, 1989.9. Hahn, L.J., Kloiber, R., Leininger, R.W., Vimy, M. J., and Lorscheider, F.L. Whole-body Imaging of the Distribution of Mercury Released from Dental Filling Into Monkey Tissues. FASEB F. 4, 3256-3260, 1990.Letter by Boyd Haley, PhD, is in response to an article on the ADA web site by the ADA PresidentEdited by reversespin, : No reason given.

This is irrelevant to the question of amalgam safety in the mouth.Unless, of course, you are suggesting that mouths are being placed in sealed containers. Workplace safety is also irrelevant to the safety of amalgams in the mouth.Confront the evidence, reverse.Don't try to change the question.

I agree with you on this issue, mostly. People who go get themselves "chelated" to remove amalgam contaminants from their bodies ought to also have kerosine enemas to remove those old corn kernels stuck in their colons. Bogus medicine at either end.But, on the other hand, I find way too much bogus medicine being practiced routinely by the medical-pharmaceutical complex without enough questions being asked. As argued by others in another thread, vaccinations have a dubious history and there are good reasons to avoid them. Still, the med-pharm complex urges us on.”HM

I don't know about Baratz, but Coragyps's degree is a PhD in chemistry. And he not only has a mouthful of amalgam fillings, but spent two years before that degree making organomercury compounds while wearing his gloves less than he should have.The anti-fillings screeds look like conspiracy theories to me. Yes, mercury is toxic and fairly dangerous. Yes, new ceramic stuff probably makes for better fillings without the murcury blues. No, I'm not getting all my fillings removed and remodeled. The hazard has not been shown to be that significant.

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

I invite you to join the vax thread.I did quite a bit of work showing that the mercury risk is non existent.But vaccines are OT here, Hoot.

My dad was a dentist and I used to play in his lab when I was a kid.Every day after school. Played with extracted teeth, wax, dental tools, whatever I could get my grubby little paws on. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if I got my share of mercury.

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As argued by others in another thread, vaccinations have a dubious history and there are good reasons to avoid them. Still, the med-pharm complex urges us on.

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As argued by others, I have yet to see any evidence at all that vaccines should be avoided, and copious evidence that they have been enormously effective in preventing disease, suffering, and death.Tell me, if terrorists detonated a dirty bomb in the US that had the smallpox virus in it, would you avoid getting the smallpox vaccine?If you have evidence that vaccines should be avoided, and you can document their "dubious history" for us, please do so here.