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Author Topic:   Creationist = Anti-Environmentalist?
Nuggin
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Message 80 of 111 (426822)
10-08-2007 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Hyroglyphx
10-08-2007 8:15 PM


NJ's turn to admit he's wrong
You know, NJ, you've spouted a lot of crap over the last bunch of posts, demanding all sorts of evidence and when it's presented you either deny it was (as if people couldn't scroll up) or just ignore it and demand more.
The fact of the matter is we've proven that the fundamentalists are in league with/under the direction of the anti-environmentalists.
Perhaps it because they hate the world and want to see it ended. Perhaps its because they are too stupid to realize what they are supporting. Perhaps its simply because they HAVE to be on the opposite side, no matter how legit the argument is from the "left".
Either way, it's out there, it's apparent. Your position as a denialist does nothing to remove that.

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Nuggin
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Message 84 of 111 (426843)
10-08-2007 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Hyroglyphx
10-08-2007 9:56 PM


Re: Re:
I thought skepticism was to be cherished. I'm just not sold on the idea that creationists are anti-environmentalism. I guess we'd have to define what environmentalism means to you. Our versions might differ considerably.
You are fundamentalist. You deny OVERWHELMING evidence of human influence on global warming. That pretty much sums it up.
As for you asking for more evidence, I'm sick of answering you. You wanted evidence of CO2 emissions, it was given and ignored. You wanted evidence about Rage Against the Machine, given, ignored. Fundamentalists by name? Given, ignored. Fundamentalists PAID by oil companies? Given & ignored. The bush admin's policies about env and fundamentalist support - given, ignored.
There is NO AMOUNT of imformation that will satisfy you BECAUSE you are one of the people who are involved in this.
Like ALL the other fundamentalists, you have no position aside from trying to disprove everyone else.
Disproving is fine if you REVIEW THE GODDMAN INFORMATION!. Simply saying "No it isn';t" and putting your fingers in your eyes is nothing more than 3rd grade fundamentalist crap.
I wish WISH WISH that there was at least 1 person on the fundamentalist side who showed even a shred of reason, even a 5th grade reading comprehension, or at the very least, the willingness to admit (when its staring them in the face) that they've been wrong.
So far, no good. Fundamentalism seems chocked full of people as deceitful and argogent as youself.
I hope you are right and the rapture does come. Finally the world will be done with your sort and we can get on with peace and progress

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Nuggin
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Message 85 of 111 (426847)
10-08-2007 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by AdminNosy
10-08-2007 10:11 PM


Re: support.
Are you now asking me to prove that:
" I see a lot of people who believe in Creationism and are also Global Warming deniers."
What more evidence do you want than my personal account of my experiences? Is there someone who has a better account of my experiences?
NJ himself is both a Creationist and a GW denier!
How about, Nosy, if I ask you to prove
...I don't see the support for a link...
Prove that you don't see the support. After all, that's what you are asking of me.
I don't have to prove that ALL Creationists are GW Deniers, just that I've seen them
The fact that NJ is ACTIVELY denying GW is sufficient proof in and of itself.

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Nuggin
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Message 92 of 111 (426870)
10-08-2007 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by AdminNosy
10-08-2007 10:49 PM


Re: support.
You have made a positive statement. You need to show positive evidence for it.
And I have. NJ himself is a fundamentalist creationist who is denying global warming continuously throughout the thread.
If having one here and present and active isn't sufficient evidence that he exists, I don't know what more I can do.
If my search was exhaustive then I have shown there is no evidence.
No, you have show that your subjective search has turned up no evidence. And, as you put it:
As has been pointed out many times; personal experiences are subject to many possible flaws (particularly confirmation bias).
What's good for the goose...
If you feel that my experience of what I've seen is insufficient, then I counter that yours is equally insufficient, and we are back to square one.
As it happens, I have the advantage of having NJ denying global warming IN THIS VERY THREAD.
Are you, and I suspect NJ, suggesting that I prove that ALL fundamentalists are GW deniers? Do you have a phone list of all the fundamentalists so you can double check the evidence?

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Nuggin
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Message 93 of 111 (426873)
10-08-2007 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Hyroglyphx
10-08-2007 11:03 PM


Logic that doesn't follow...
You are making it so that if I am unconvinced on an issue, or believe many, if not most, environmentalists are a bunch of yahoos, that must somehow mean that I don't care about the environment. The logic doesn't follow.
No, the logic that doesn't follow is that in defense of your position you site shills for the oil industry who have a documented history of being bought and paid to take the positions they take. Some how we are supposed to believe that you, siding with Big Oil, are denying global warming because you honestly feel that there is debate.
Either you are being intentionally deceptive, or you are ignorant of the people you are using for the defense of your position, either way, you aren't to be taken seriously.
Your answers are completely insufficient
Oh really? Let's review:
NJ: re: Rage Against the Machine "Listen one song-- any song."
Me:
Okay, Im not a "Rage" fan, so I goggled them - here's one of their songs, "Beautiful World"
It's a beautiful world we live in
A sweet romantic place
Beautiful people everywhere
The way they show they care makes me want to say
It's a beautiful world
Oh what a beautiful world
For you
It's a wonderful time to be here
It's nice to be alive
Wonderful people everywhere
The way they comb their hair makes me want to say
It's a wonderful place
Oh what a wonderful place
For you, for you, for you, for you, for you, for you, for you, not me
Asked, Answered - How is this insufficient?
NJ: "Give me one name in order to keep this thread going."
Crash: "Becky Fischer, director of Kids in Ministry International, as featured in the documentary Jesus Camp."
By the way, if you watch Jesus Camp, you'll also see Fundy parents homeschooling their kids in one sequence actively denying global warming to their kids.
How is this answer insufficient? You asked, it was answered. You move on like it never happened.
More lies? Or just more ignorance?
you made a pretty audacious claim.
I claimed that I see these people. You immediately stood up and said - Hey! I'm one of those people! Prove it!
That's about as audacious as calling for a show of hands.
Are you now suggesting that you've been LYING this whole time? That, in your fevered desire to deny everything everyone says, you're not going to reverse your position just to spite us. Fantastic.
If I'm arrogant, then Mother Theresa has some explaining to do.
Would this be the same Mother Theresa that horded wealth and watched sick children die because her intentions were simply to convert not to cure? Yes, I agree - you are arrogant AND she has some explaining to do.
That's exactly the kind of mentality that is supposed to come about during the last days.
Yup, and your prostrating yourself to Big Oil helps that day grow ever closer. Who cares if it's going to kill the kids! We'll all be together in White Straight Fundamentalist Christian Heaven! Whoopie!

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