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John Inactive Member |
quote: Haven't you just contradicted yourself? First, you say that sea-floor sediments are due to runoff from the continents. Ok, for the sake of argument. Next, you say that these sediments DO NOT travel rapidly enough to reach the mid-oceanic ridges in the time frame of YEC. However, there is sediment very near the ridges, so if all the sediment is from the continents it must have travelled these distances. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
TC, man, you are in denial.
quote: How then has it been measured? You've been given several maps already.
quote: Why are we talking about 200m? Sediments traveled a thousand miles, give or take, and stopped 200m shy of the ridges? And THIS is your evidence? Your line of demarcation is 200m from the ridge?
quote: What are you talking about? The issue you have to deal with is that there is a pretty steady decrease in sediment depth from the continents to the ridges. You seem to be claiming that this is all due to runoff from the continents. That is, sediment travelled appr. a thousand miles in 4000 years. Do you have evidence for this rate? But wait... the sediments just don't get there, period. And the "local palegic sedimentation" is immeasurable. Yet, there is sediment, so what are you talking about? ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: You have to think that those sea-faring folk would have noticed. The Chinese were using compasses, or compass precursors, 1800 years ago. Surely that is plenty of time for quite a few reversals. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Yes. For example, in response to my question, "Why are we talking about 200m?" you reply:
quote: Yet when we look just one post back we find that that you stated:
TC post #56 writes: Were talking about less than 200m from the ridge. And you are using this as a defense of your position. So which is it? You don't know why we are talking about 200m from the ridge, in which case your post #56 is mostly crap. Or, you do know and the response you just gave is mostly crap.
quote: Interesting. In post #56 you stated:
--The relevant sediments were talking about, yes. This was in response to my statement, "First, you say that sea-floor sediments are due to runoff from the continents." So here again, something is very very wrong. Which sediments are at issue?
quote: Oh, so you never 'really' argued for 200m?
quote: I've read your post #74. It is silly. It amounts to 'we can't know' which is a cop-out, TC.
quote: Claimed that sedimentation 'is all due to runoff from the continents'? Yes, you did.
TC post #54 writes: This exponential increase in sedimentary thickness is due to runoff from continents and its erosion. This is the post where I noticed the contradiction in your explaination. But you clarified it in post #56.
"Haven't you just contradicted yourself? First, you say that sea-floor sediments are due to runoff from the continents." --The relevant sediments were talking about, yes. quote: Yes, you did, TC. You claim that local pelagic sedimentation is immeasurable, yet sedimentary deposits are found very close to the ridges. This means that these sediments MUST HAVE COME from the continents. Or there is something wrong with your scenario.
quote: I don't know? I don't know???? It is your damn argument!!! You don't have any data? Well, here ya go-- sediments on a ridge.
This portion of the Juan de Fuca Ridge is an example of a sedimented ridge-crest system (Figure 12). Such sites are of significant economic interest because sediments are particularly effective at trapping metals dissolved in hydrothermal fluids and are often the sites of large sulfide deposits. At Middle Valley, the sediments host a significant active sulfide accumulation and are underlain by a vigorous hydrothermal system.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.ocean.washington.edu/neptune/pub/white_paper/scidriv5.html And here...
Sediments cover all but the active portions of the mid-ocean ridges like dust that covers the infrequently-used objects in your home. The sediments fall from above, like old animal skeletons (biogenous sediments). Also, considerable dust from the continents blows over the oceans and is deposited (terrigenous sediments). Finally, hydrogenous sediments are those forming insitu (in place). They crystallize directly from the liquid when concentrations become sufficiently rich.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~hindman/eas100/Chapter14.htm Your lack of data is self imposed, TC. And that is your biggest problem. So, wanna try again?
John writes: What are you talking about? The issue you have to deal with is that there is a pretty steady decrease in sediment depth from the continents to the ridges. You seem to be claiming that this is all due to runoff from the continents. That is, sediment travelled appr. a thousand miles in 4000 years. Do you have evidence for this rate? But wait... the sediments just don't get there, period. And the "local palegic sedimentation" is immeasurable. Yet, there is sediment, so what are you talking about? ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I've watched TC go from sincere and fairly rational, but utterly wrong, to what you see here-- a really good creationist, complete with all the misdirection, self-imposed ignorance, and denial. I find it very sad actually. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Well, he's not going to be back until the 19th. I'm sure that once he returns.... oh, wait a minute... Is it really the 22nd already? Gee... ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: There is a reason for that, TC. That reason? You've yet to produce anything cogent supporting your position.
quote: Tc, buddy, I've been tracking just this sort of behavior. Why deny when the truth is there for all to see? ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Again, you evade. You were making arguments and when asked about something YOU USED in your argument, you reply "I dunno." Lol....
quote: This is crap, TC. You made two contradictory claims in the same paragraph. Do I have to post it again?
quote: More like, "... because the data isn't chaotic until you run it through your imagination, inventing countless undemonstrated hypothesis to try to overturn the bloody obvious."
quote: Right. There isn't one. Look at a sea floor map. There is no discontinuity anywhere that supports the idea that the sea floor spread at a phenomenal rate 6000 years ago. So you have invoked numerous undemonstrated-- to be kind-- ideas in order to claim that the data doesn't exist, and WOULDN'T exist. So basically, you are left with no evidence to seperate CPT from PT. Now, the catch is that CPT assumes numerous add ideas-- like accelerated decay-- for which there is no evidence. PT works with only things for which we have evidence. We should reject PT, which handles the data quite well with no arcane processes, in favor of CPT which must assume a whole chain of mystery forces to even close the realm of bad-acid-trip?
quote: This is exactly the problem. The sediment DOES travel these distances. Furthermore, by your own words it MUST travel these distances since the pelagic sedimentation is immeasurable. Simple. There is sediment. pelagic sedimentation is immeasurable-- your words. Thus the sediments come from the continents.
quote: Did Percy write the following in response to my statement, "However, there is sediment very near the ridges, so if all the sediment is from the continents it must have travelled these distances."?
--There is sediment, but the sediment which is that near to the ridges is from local palegic sedimentation, and still that is immeasurable. quote: No I don't. Why the hell would I need data for pelagic sedimentation? You have already pronounced that pelagic sedimentation is immeasurable. I just have to show sedimentation, and then invoke your statement that the sediments never reached the ridges. By the way, did you notice this line?
Some scientists would argue that it is an anomalous ridge: the axis is quite shallow, the central portion is dominated by the presence of the Cobb hot spot, turbidite sediments blanket the ridge in places, and the tectonics of the northern end are clearly complicated by the break up of the Explorer plate.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.ocean.washington.edu/neptune/pub/white_paper/scidriv5.html Notice that turbidite sediments blanket the ridge?
quote: You have been making the same claims since I started posting here, and your arguments are getting worse and worse. The denial, the self-contradictions, the jargonish doubletalk is reaching epic proportions. It isn't that you haven't been lovingly corrected. It is that you WON'T be corrected. You refuse to be corrected. Like you say, you have no tenable alternative. Yet you continue to argue. You've got nothing but wishes. You know you've got nothing. But you still argue. Geez!!! How much respect do you expect us to have for you? ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: LOL... Hence my point, TC. You did contradict yourself. You claim it was poor choice of words. Fine. How many posts did we go through before we got to this admission? ------------------
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