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bluegenes
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Message 76 of 337 (424351)
09-26-2007 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by pbee
09-26-2007 4:22 PM


pbee writes:
My point is, that we tolerate cherry picked theories in classrooms for no other reason than conforming to a scientific mindset. Why present one theory and not another? Why place more emphasis on one theory than the other? Why teach one theory and not the other? Why draft assignments based on the big bang theory and reject ID based ones?
It's because physicists present evidence for their theories, and all you present is one of the many ancient creation mythologies, apparently full of the magical stuff common in superstitious cultures which you yourself seem to describe as childish in a post above.
You need to present evidence for talking snakes if you want people to teach about them in science classes.
Science requires evidence.
It would be perfectly O.K. if your book was presented as fiction in the English class, and kids could enjoy the magic as they do with their Harry Potter books.
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Edited by bluegenes, : extra word

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pbee
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Message 77 of 337 (424354)
09-26-2007 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by AdminNosy
09-26-2007 4:17 PM


Re: Warning -- the sequel.
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Posts which waste others time and the limited posts we have on a thread are not welcome.
If you are unable to respond both politely and to the point then don't bother.
These warnings a trilogy will not be.
I couldn't think of anything better to say under the circumstances. He asked, I answered (with explanation) and yet he continues his song and dance. The posts speak for themselves.
If you are building to suspend my account, then why bother playing games. It is quite obvious this board runs with party favorites, which I for one have no interest in whatsoever. So just get it over with already, you have my full blessing.
You are also welcome to delete my account if that makes you feel stronger. The personal attachment is staggering.
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pbee
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Message 78 of 337 (424361)
09-26-2007 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by bluegenes
09-26-2007 4:44 PM


quote:
It's because physicists present evidence for their theories, and all you present is one of the many ancient creation mythologies, apparently full of the magical stuff common in superstitious cultures which you yourself seem to describe as childish in a post above.
Oh please, how hard would it be to match the big bang theory with something like Creation? So every time we observe black black holes etc. we might as well throw a bit of alternate realm material into the pot for good measure. Even so.. the big bang theory doesn't stand on anything. Where did it come from and so and and so forth.
quote:
You need to present evidence for talking snakes if you want people to teach about them in science classes.
Why teach about talking snakes? Why not just be honest about it and stick to the basics? An intelligent being of force created life. Supported by(theory theory theory). Pretty basic stuff really.
quote:
Science requires evidence.
Right, and so waves and spacial bodies can be classified as evidence whereas creation and the results are.... Looks like your argument is flawed.
quote:
It would be perfectly O.K. if your book was presented as fiction in the English class, and kids could enjoy the magic as they do with their Harry Potter books.
Yes, well if only harry potter would of tackled the origin of life. Better yet, if only the contenders could be taken seriously. The current lineup is pathetic and caters mostly the more impressionable folk.

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Message 79 of 337 (424364)
09-26-2007 5:27 PM
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09-26-2007 5:24 PM


No content -- pbee takes a break
Since your posts continue to be contentless you seem to need time to think about what to say. I'll give you 4 hour suspension for starters.

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Message 80 of 337 (424365)
09-26-2007 5:29 PM
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09-26-2007 5:27 PM


Re: No content -- pbee takes a break
yay!

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Percy
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Message 81 of 337 (424407)
09-26-2007 8:33 PM
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09-26-2007 5:24 PM


Hi Pbee,
All we want to do here is have civil, constructive and informative discussions. If that's also what you want then things should go fine.
--Percy

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mark24
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Message 82 of 337 (424458)
09-27-2007 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by pbee
09-26-2007 12:25 PM


pbee,
Wrong, teaching that life originated as the result of a higher power has nothing to do with religion.
Of course it does, either life appeared naturally in the universe or it required a supernatural agent. Belief in a creating supernatural agent is religion.
mark writes:
Either life had a natural origin or it doesn't, ie. therefore God/s. Since ID essentially tries to rule out #1, it implicitly requires that life (& a lot more besides) was created by divine intervention.
pbee writes:
circular argument. God/Creation has no bearing on natural /unnatural laws. Such arguments are nothing more than literary implications people employ to satisfy beliefs.
A circular argument is an argument that requires acceptance of conclusions before the premise was accepted. ie. It isn't a circular argument.
In all other ways what you wrote was meaningless to my statement.
Again, more word play. Supernatural ranks up with magic and hocus-pocus.
That's right. That's what ID ultimately is, something synonymous with religion.
I say again, ultimately, life had a natural origin or a supernatural one. By supernatural we mean "outside this universe". ID attempts to rule out the former, therefore ID espouses supernatural origins.
Mark

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DivineBeginning
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Message 83 of 337 (424478)
09-27-2007 8:17 AM
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09-26-2007 11:04 AM


Re: I have no problem with teaching ID in a school but...
The intent of the designer is spread throughout the entire bible.

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Message 84 of 337 (424479)
09-27-2007 8:20 AM
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09-26-2007 11:23 AM


You think being a Christian is easy? Read the Beattitudes, they are in the Sermon on the Mount, in Matthew. There is much persecution. And it is right, one day every knew will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. You will see

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Message 85 of 337 (424481)
09-27-2007 8:49 AM
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09-27-2007 8:20 AM


So, are you saying that we should teach Chistianity instead of science in science classrooms?

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Message 86 of 337 (424482)
09-27-2007 8:52 AM
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09-27-2007 8:49 AM


No, both. What's wrong with that. The students deserve to know ALL beliefs about their existence don't they. Besides aren't we supposed to be teaching tolerance and diversity? Shouldn't Christianity fit in there somewhere?

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Message 87 of 337 (424484)
09-27-2007 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by DivineBeginning
09-27-2007 8:52 AM


quote:
No, both. What's wrong with that. The students deserve to know ALL beliefs about their existence don't they. Besides aren't we supposed to be teaching tolerance and diversity? Shouldn't Christianity fit in there somewhere?
So, which version of Christianity should we teach in science class?
And which version in Math, History, and English?
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Message 88 of 337 (424485)
09-27-2007 9:08 AM
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09-27-2007 9:03 AM


are you serious? There is ONE version of Christianity. It's contained in the Bible. It is really simple. God Created the earth. That's all I'm talking about. This thread is about ID, not Math, History, etc. Am I right? So, with regards to which version of Christianity, it should be obvious.

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Message 89 of 337 (424486)
09-27-2007 9:09 AM
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09-27-2007 8:17 AM


Re: I have no problem with teaching ID in a school but...
I'm sorry but that is just a pretty silly answer. It does show though that ID is NOT science but rather simply religion in disguise.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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DivineBeginning
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Message 90 of 337 (424487)
09-27-2007 9:12 AM
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09-27-2007 9:09 AM


Re: I have no problem with teaching ID in a school but...
No, my friend, that is where you are wrong. Christianity is NOT a religion is a personal relationship with our Creator, and his Son Jesus Christ. But, as long as you are on the "religion in disguise" thing. I know you would have to agree that Atheism is a religion in itself, right? And so is Budhism, Hinduism, etc. These are all taught in schools. Why do you suppose that is?

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