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anglagard Member (Idle past 1093 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Well if you are not game Phat, I am.
jar writes: List the nations invaded by North Korea. 1950 - South Korea
Now list the nations invaded by the US. 1776 - 1880s - Virtually countless Indian Nations1776 - Canada (then part of UK) 1801 - Tripoli 1806 - Mexico 1810 - Florida (then part of Spain) 1812 - Florida (then part of Spain) 1812 - Canada (then part of UK) 1813 - Florida (then part of Spain) 1816 - Florida (then part of Spain) 1832 - Indonesia 1833 - Argentina 1835 - Peru 1846 - Mexico 1852 - Argentina 1855 - Fiji Islands 1856 - China 1857 - Nicaragua 1860 - Columbia 1868 - Japan 1873 - Columbia 1891 - Haiti 1893 - Hawaii 1894 - Nicaragua 1894 - China 1894 - Korea 1895 - Panama 1898 - Cuba, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Guam (then part of Spain) 1898 - Nicaragua 1900 - China 1901 - Panama (as part of splitting from Columbia, properly 1901-14) 1903 - Honduras 1903 - Dominican Republic 1904 - Korea 1906 - Cuba 1907 - Nicaragua 1907 - Honduras 1908 - Panama 1910 - Nicaragua 1911 - Honduras 1911 - China 1912 - Cuba 1912 - Panama 1912 - Nicaragua 1913 - Mexico 1914 - Dominican Republic 1914 - Haiti 1916 - Dominican Republic 1917 - Cuba 1916 - Mexico 1917 - 1918 - WWI 1918 - Russia 1918 - Panama 1919 - Honduras 1919 - Yugoslavia 1920 - Guatemala 1922 - Turkey 1922 - China 1924 - Honduras 1925 - Panama 1927 - China 1932 - El Salvador 1941 - 1945 - WWII 1950 - Korean War 1953 - Iran (primarily CIA) 1954 - Guatemala 1958 - Lebanon 1960 - 1975 Vietnam War 1962 - Laos 1964 - Panama 1965 - Dominican Republic 1966 - Guatemala 1969 - Cambodia 1970 - Oman 1971 - Laos 1975 - Cambodia 1982 - Lebanon 1983 - Grenada 1989 - Panama 1991 - Iraq 1992 - Somalia 1994 - Haiti 1999 - Yugoslavia 2001 - Afghanistan 2003 - {forever} Iraq War A somewhat more comprehensive list of minor 'interventions' or 'showing of force' as opposed to actual troop invasions lasting at least several days may be found here: Timeline of United States military operations - Wikipedia "Why do they hate us?" - Common question asked by Americans lacking a proper education in history. Please note I am not arguing that either all or none of these invasions were justified. I leave it to the reader, their political acumen, and their conscience to discriminate between one and the other. Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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Tal Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Israelis seized nuclear material in Syrian raid
Israeli commandos seized nuclear material of North Korean origin during a daring raid on a secret military site in Syria before Israel bombed it this month, according to informed sources in Washington and Jerusalem. The attack was launched with American approval on September 6 after Washington was shown evidence the material was nuclear related, the well-placed sources say. They confirmed that samples taken from Syria for testing had been identified as North Korean. This raised fears that Syria might have joined North Korea and Iran in seeking to acquire nuclear weapons. Israeli special forces had been gathering intelligence for several months in Syria, according to Israeli sources. They located the nuclear material at a compound near Dayr az-Zwar in the north. Evidence that North Korean personnel were at the site is said to have been shared with President George W Bush over the summer. A senior American source said the administration sought proof of nuclear-related activities before giving the attack its blessing. Diplomats in North Korea and China believe a number of North Koreans were killed in the strike, based on reports reaching Asian governments about conversations between Chinese and North Korean officials. Syrian officials flew to Pyongyang, the North Korean capital, last week, reinforcing the view that the two nations were coordinating their response. If those WMD that don't exist were easier to identify and handled properly, then this would not have occurred. |
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Tal Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Middle East Volcano
On Sept. 6, something important happened in northern Syria. Problem is, no one knows exactly what. Except for those few who were involved, and they're not saying. We do know that Israel carried out an airstrike. How do we know it was important? Because in Israel, where leaking is an art form, even the best-informed don't have a clue. They tell me they have never seen a better-kept secret. Which suggests that whatever happened near Dayr az Zawr was no accidental intrusion into Syrian airspace, no dry run for an attack on Iran, no strike on some conventional target such as an Iranian Revolutionary Guard base or a weapons shipment on its way to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Circumstantial evidence points to this being an attack on some nuclear facility provided by North Korea. Three days earlier, a freighter flying the North Korean flag docked in the Syrian port city of Tartus with a shipment of "cement." Long way to go for cement. Within days, a top State Department official warned that "there may have been contact between Syria and some secret suppliers for nuclear equipment." Three days later, the six-party meeting on dismantling North Korea's nuclear facilities scheduled for Sept. 19 was suddenly postponed, officially by China, almost certainly at the behest of North Korea. Apart from the usual suspects -- Syria, Iran, Libya and Russia -- only two countries registered strong protests to the Israeli strike: Turkey and North Korea. Turkey we can understand. Its military may have permitted Israel an overflight corridor without ever having told the Islamist civilian government. But North Korea? What business is this of North Korea's? Unless it was a North Korean facility being hit. Which raises alarms for many reasons. First, it would undermine the whole North Korean disarmament process. Pyongyang might be selling its stuff to other rogue states or perhaps just temporarily hiding it abroad while permitting ostentatious inspections back home. Second, there are ominous implications for the Middle East. Syria has long had chemical weapons -- on Monday, Jane's Defence Weekly reported on an accident that killed dozens of Syrians and Iranians loading a nerve-gas warhead onto a Syrian missile -- but Israel will not tolerate a nuclear Syria. Tensions are already extremely high because of Iran's headlong rush to go nuclear. In fending off sanctions and possible military action, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has chosen a radically aggressive campaign to assemble, deploy, flaunt and partially activate Iran's proxies in the Arab Middle East: (1) Hamas launching rockets into Israeli towns and villages across the border from the Gaza Strip. Its intention is to invite an Israeli reaction, preferably a bloody and telegenic ground assault. (2) Hezbollah heavily rearmed with Iranian rockets transshipped through Syria and preparing for the next round of fighting with Israel. The third Lebanon war, now inevitable, awaits only Tehran's order. (3) Syria, Iran's only Arab client state, building up forces across the Golan Heights frontier with Israel. And on Wednesday, yet another anti-Syrian member of Lebanon's parliament was killed in a massive car bombing. (4) The al-Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard training and equipping Shiite extremist militias in the use of the deadliest IEDs and rocketry against American and Iraqi troops. Iran is similarly helping the Taliban attack NATO forces in Afghanistan. Why is Iran doing this? Because it has its eye on a single prize: the bomb. It needs a bit more time, knowing that once it goes nuclear, it becomes the regional superpower and Persian Gulf hegemon. Iran's assets in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq are poised and ready. Ahmadinejad's message is this: If anyone dares attack our nuclear facilities, we will fully activate our proxies, unleashing unrestrained destruction on Israel, moderate Arabs, Iraq and U.S. interests -- in addition to the usual, such as mining the Strait of Hormuz and causing an acute oil crisis and worldwide recession. This is an extremely high-stakes game. The time window is narrow. In probably less than two years, Ahmadinejad will have the bomb. The world is not quite ready to acquiesce. The new president of France has declared a nuclear Iran " unacceptable." The French foreign minister warned that "it is necessary to prepare for the worst" -- and "the worst, it's war, sir." Which makes it all the more urgent that powerful sanctions be slapped on the Iranian regime. Sanctions will not stop Ahmadinejad. But there are others in the Iranian elite who might stop him and the nuclear program before the volcano explodes. These rival elites may be radical, but they are not suicidal. And they believe, with reason, that whatever damage Ahmadinejad's apocalyptic folly may inflict upon the region and the world, on Crusader and Jew, on infidel and believer, the one certain result of such an eruption is Iran's Islamic republic buried under the ash. If those WMD that don't exist were easier to identify and handled properly, then this would not have occurred. |
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Tal Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
BAGHDAD ” The U.S. military accused Iran on Sunday of smuggling surface-to-air missiles and other advanced weapons into Iraq for use against American troops. Military spokesman Rear Adm. Mark Fox said U.S. troops were continuing to find Iranian-supplied weaponry including the Misagh 1, a portable surface-to-air missile that uses an infrared guidance system. Other advanced Iranian weaponry found in Iraq includes the RPG-29 rocket-propelled grenade, 240 mm rockets and armor-piercing roadside bombs known as explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs, Fox said. The charge comes as Iran's leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is set to begin his first full day in New York City where he plans to speak at Columbia University ahead of his address to the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday
Full Story If those WMD that don't exist were easier to identify and handled properly, then this would not have occurred.
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jar Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The RPG-29 entered service with the Soviet army in 1989.
1989. And your point is? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Tal Member (Idle past 5934 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
The RPG-29 entered service with the Soviet army in 1989. 1989. And your point is?
I report. You decide. If those WMD that don't exist were easier to identify and handled properly, then this would not have occurred.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Huh. So the reason that Iran is bad is because they are assisting a resistance movement against an illegal foreign military occupation? That's pretty much what I figured.
But I thought the Official Reason Iran Is Bad is because they are developing nuclear weapons that they will then use to utterly destroy Western Christiandom. You can observe a lot by watching. -- Yogi Berra
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 4184 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
there are lots of reasons we don't like iran. the first is, they want nukes which is compounded by reason two, they "hate" israel. now. the reason they want nukes is because israel "hates" them and israel has nukes (and has recently attacked syria, not to mention homg lebanon).
third, they're scary persians. have you seen 300? have any idea how we feel about iran? they threaten us because they were one of the original humungo-empires. now, they have this new factor of islam to unify them with other large groups. four. did i mention islam? yeah. scary muslims. it's easy to pin the evil badge on anyone we don't understand. five. human rights. this is legitimate. they really do have some stuff they need to work on. we do too, but we don't like to bring attention to that. six. they have oil. i'm sure. if not, our president probably thinks they do. we want it and we don't want to pay for it.
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