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Author Topic:   Iran, Nukes, and the End of the World
Taz
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Message 3 of 38 (422789)
09-18-2007 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tal
09-18-2007 3:28 AM


I usually stay away from this kind of debate because I honestly don't know enough or care enough to look through the info. But isn't it obvious that they do want nuclear weapons?
I see nuclear weapons are like personal hand grenades. If I get into a hand fight with Muhamed Ali (a conventional fight), I'd definitely lose because it's an unfair fight. But if I carry around a personal hand grenade, he'd be crazy to get near me. Russia got hand grenades because they were afraid of us. China got hand grenades because they were afraid of russia. India got hand grenades because they were afraid of China. Pakistan got hand grenades because they were afraid of India.
So, I see nuclear weapons as more of a defensive weapon than offensive. For Iran to go against the US military in the conventional way is like me going against Muhammed Ali in a hand fight. It's an unfair fight. Unless Allah brings his wrath upon the American whores, nobody is going to doubt that Iran will lose. But if they have nuclear weapons, we'd be stupid to go near.
With that said, I think that's why everybody essentially wants nuclear weapons. They don't have the economy or the population to build up a strong conventional army. A nuke, on the other hand, will ensure that bigger and stronger conventional armies won't come near them.
About the anti-christ thing, I'll just have to wait and see how this turns out.
Added by edit.
Shouldn't the anti-christ have a name something like Mal Abbas or something like that?
Edited by Tazmanius Devilus, : No reason given.

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Taz
Member (Idle past 3321 days)
Posts: 5069
From: Zerus
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Message 4 of 38 (422792)
09-18-2007 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by jar
09-18-2007 11:05 AM


Re: The greatest Danger in the World are Christian End Timers.
jar writes:
No Muslim State is likely to create a nuclear arsenal that is sufficient to destroy the earth in anything like a short period of time, however the US and a few other Nation States already possess such capability.
Not necessarily. Haven't you seen the movie Dr. Strangelove? To quote the good scientist, "The doomsday machine is well within the capability of even the smallest nuclear power. It only requires the will to do so."

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Taz
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Posts: 5069
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Message 23 of 38 (423162)
09-19-2007 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
09-19-2007 12:23 PM


Re: incite attack?
I know some people that lived in Moscow before, during, and after the fall of communism in Russia. Listen to what jar said. Key word in the fall of communism in Russia was "bread".

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Taz
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Message 24 of 38 (423163)
09-19-2007 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Chiroptera
09-19-2007 12:29 PM


Re: incite attack?
Chiroptera writes:
Second, it's debatable whether Communism was really such a grave threat that it needed to be stopped.
While I agree with you that it's debatable whether communism needed to be stopped, I would argue that at least the bastardized versions of communism that sprung up in certain places absolutely needed some intervention from the free world.

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Taz
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Message 25 of 38 (423164)
09-20-2007 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by macaroniandcheese
09-19-2007 12:17 PM


Re: incite attack?
bren writes:
we have this nasty habit of being overly isolationist or overly punchy with the buttons...
Well, the US tends to be in the extreme of anything. When our people had isolationist feelings, we tried everything we could to stay out of everybody's way. When we decided to become a superpower, we've been in everybody's face ever since. We have military bases virtually throughout the world. Even Antarctica has a US naval base there. I think we had a base in England for 50 after WW2.
Anyway, I wonder if it's not too much to ask for the US to be just a regular joe in the international community... you know, like Spain and such? Sweden and Canada seem to be doing pretty well without spending a rediculous sum of money on their military every year.

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