THE ELECT: DID GOD CHOOSE YOU TO SPEND ETERNTIY WITHOUT HIM?

Election vs free-will is scoffed at in vain here by all of us. I apologize in advance for my own stupidness in this matter.Scriptures define election adequately enough and need no apologetics for us willful ignorants. Our damnation is just. What good work could possibly atone for the depraved sinfulness we're all elected with, i.e., filled with:Jestings, backbitings, maliciousness, debates, hate, blasphemies, frolicking, womanizing, whoremonging, porno, terrorizing, intimidators of believers, abusers of ourselves, lust-stricken, filthy, etc. etc.Seeing that we daily commit these sins, who is going to pay for each and every one of these crimes against a God who does not wink at any of my sins.Of course Salvation SANS redemption is impossible. Examples:1) If I face my Maker with say good works, that could never pay for a single sin nor make me righteous and holy.2) What a damnable lie for me to believe God would save me for heroically giving my life for my friends, despite it being Christ-like.3) I toss out my convictions and guilt trips in lieu of humanistic missions. I.e., I excuse my sins because I'm helping people.On the other hand, election coupled with redemption is beautiful to me, as long as it is NOTHING but the BLOOD of JESUS I plead.Now, if I'm elected to plead nothing but the blood of Jesus to pay for each and every one of my sins I have and will have committed, to work out your Salvation, Sanctification, Love, Good-works, etc.The trick remains, can I continue to walk on this water when the storms and mists of sin arise? When I sink who elects Himself to save me? Yes, Amen, I hope so, and believe unto the Salvation of the soul, despite my damnable tendencies.In sum, the Blood of the Son of God is adequate Sacrifice to swallow my sinfulness and raise me up, to purge my conscience of guilt and dead works, to forgive me, ere he takes and pays for each and every one of my sins upon Himself to suffer the vicarious punishment in my stead.Ah, am I elected because I am stuck on believing "Nothing but the Blood of Jesus can save me"? Seems arbitrary to me that I'm elected or not. Albeit I thank God He will never divorce me nor forsake me in this matter.Or, just cause I took the bait and swallowed it hook line and sinker in a public spectacle. Born again above all cults. Born into the body of Christ, raising from the dead with Him constantly and in due time, being quickened in love toward other Christians and neighbors and foreigners alike.Does election take place before the foundation of the world? Any theistic methinks would not be concerned about time paradoxes and Newtonian (science) traps of thinking.Election violates all Newtonian and common sense notions of time as God is omnipresent by definition, no?Now God's Cosmic-Matrix is summed up for me: "Nothing but the Blood of Jesus" can elect me for the Holy Heaven and pay for each and every sin I've committed. Oh that the sprinkling of Jesus' Blood would utterly consume my proud mountains in His presence, transform me into His goodness, make me born above, and do the same for you all like-wise. May it be so, forever, Amen.Philip

...filthy, unclean, lascivious, unholy, unrighteous, murderers, haters of God, etc. (Romans 1 and 3, KJV).Does anyone else out there want me to retract "filthy" from the KJV Bible.What part of "filthy" don't you (or anyone else) understand? Filthy in heart, soul, mind, and strength? Filthy and rotton to the core? And filthy in a body which can never be sterilized.True, God has washed and sanctified filthy persons so that they truly are no longer filthy in God's eyes, but these persons basically either:
1) confess to being filthy wretches,
2) are innocent children who are unashamed of their nakedness.
3) are actors (hypocrites) who forget why they hide their shameful nakedness with clothes.Does not nature teach you we are a filthy abomination without clothes?Are you trying to say your mouth (and mine) is not an open sepulchre whose stench never needs cleansing?And, You want me to retract what the scriptures have proven true: I'm NOT clean of guilt and neither are you, SANS being washed by God Himself? E.g., You and I need to be made clean of gross filthiness via some sort of baptismal regeneration. And even after that you and I will still contract some defilement and filthiness.This is because none is good, not one. We are altogether become as an unclean thing.Go run around shamefully naked if you don't believe it? Publicly take your clothes off if you feel so clean. The police call it indecent exposure (a form of filthiness). I for one don't want to stare at anyone's wretched filthy nakedness, but would rather hide my eyes from contamination by it.Does filthy pride betray you? I retract nothing. We're all guilty of complete and utter filthiness, I'm afraid. Hence, we have painful laws to protect one another, and more lawyers than missionaries.Are you and I:
(1) so sanctified and holy before God ...or
(2) filthy hell-bent wretches (half beast and half devil) saved by being cleaned by God alone? ...or
(3) a mixture of (2) filth and (1) cleanliness (=hypocritical)?Romans 1 and 3 summarize to say, let God be true and all men (you and I liars) ... in this matter of sin/filthiness.Conclusion:
You and I need groaning in sinner's prayer(s) to be made clean before God; e.g. (1st person):God, you did choose/reserve me to spend eternity in hell or in Christ's cleansing righteousness alone.I know of no other mechanism to cleanse me: May the blood of your Christ be totally cleansing upon my filthy rags of self-righteousness and upon my filthy mind to sanctify me and cleanse me for eternity.Quickly save me, a miserable filthy reprobate wretch and hell-deserving sinner, and faithfully forgive me each and every of my billions of filthy sins I've committed in my total wretched existence.Wash me and cleanse me from all self-righteousness/unrighteousness. Purge my conscience always by the Blood of Christ that was shed in my stead.Please regenerate and resurrect me with nothing but the cleansing blood of Christ.I realize I'm as filthy as a leper in my soul as my own ungodly thoughts vex my soul to destroy and damn me.Lord Jesus God, Be the center of my mind, soul, strength, and heart and raise me out from my filthy sepulchre. I'm altogether undone, unclean, and have this sin of filthy pride ever before me. I give it up, then, I can't do anything clean or right SANS You.In sum then, I now believe I am elected to:
1) remember how that Christ died for my sins according to the scriptures,
2) and that he was buried,
3) and that he rose again from the dead according to the scriptures (lest I have dogmatically-speculated/believed in vain).[This message has been edited by Philip, 05-29-2003]

G Mr. Pamboli et al,Seems we're cyber-analyzing (with Freudian clichs nonetheless) and drifting away from this post's topic:THE ELECT: DID GOD CHOOSE YOU TO SPEND ETERNTIY WITHOUT HIM?Please try to get back to this subject of election SANS any of these anal-fixations (if you will), or take it to the coffee house, or try the talk-origins archive.Anyone who wants to speak semi-coherently in this matter of election vs. free-will?I.e.,
1) While jogging this a.m. I couldn't help but conclude we're all like Skinnerian rats, damned/cursed in the flesh but renewed in our minds and bodies by Redemptive Force(s).2) Now if Redeeming Love is new every a.m. (allowing me to breath, jog, hope in forgiveness by a Christ's living atonement, etc.) that still makes me a Skinnerian rat.3) Now, how to perform that which is good (before God) I know not? Thus, I'm entirely predestined to go to Heaven, albeit, a Skinnerian rat being rewarded, prompted, antagonized, punished, etc. with multi-level stimulus-response behavior.Care to refute, comment, rebut, etc.?

If you have time could you reply a little more down to earth for a filthy wretched idiot like myself.Thanks in advance,Philip