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sidelined
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Message 273 of 297 (418164)
08-26-2007 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Rob
08-26-2007 12:46 PM


Re: Reality (God) is logical. And logic is uncaused
Rob
God is logic. Therefore His logical reason for existing is found within Himself.
This is known as a circular argument and is not logical. You must present the premises you assume in order to arrive at a conclusion.
God is logic you say. A logical reason for God's existence cannot arrive after he exists since this is against the Law of contradiction.
A thing cannot both be and not be at the same time.

"The tragedy of life is not so much what men suffer, but rather what they miss."
Thomas Carlyle

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sidelined
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From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
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Message 291 of 297 (418444)
08-28-2007 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 279 by Rob
08-28-2007 12:53 AM


Re: Reality (God) is logical. And logic is uncaused
Rob
sidelined writes:
This is known as a circular argument and is not logical.
Rob writes:
So is your statement.
All logic is circular, A=A and not -A.
Sorry Rob, my statement refers to the specific{this} not general{all}. I mentioned only your particular argument and did not say that all
logic is circular.
Rob writes:
The law of non-contradiction is valid because it doesn't contradict itself.
It wold not matter if that was the case Rob since it does not apply. Your statement
Rob writes:
God is logic. Therefore His logical reason for existing is found within Himself.
is against the Law of Non-contradiction and that is the point I was making.
Maybe we have to say that God is infinitely regressive within Himself. Since He is logic, then He is the reason for His own existence.
You are desperate yet again Rob and have merely repackaged the same problem thinking that would change the rules of the same logical principle{ Law of Non-contradiction} you seek refuge behind.
It really boils down to this... do you trust your eyes, or the mind that interprets what they see?
You test them against the phenomena to see what actually occurs. Like the illusion offered at this website http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/sze_sineIllusion/index.html
it is not possible to tell until you make the measurement to determine whether the lines are the same or not.
The measurement is the thing and it is the insights offered by measurement that we use to determine whether our eyes or our interpretations are valid.
Like I said philosophers assume scientists test.

"The tragedy of life is not so much what men suffer, but rather what they miss."
Thomas Carlyle

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