Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,912 Year: 4,169/9,624 Month: 1,040/974 Week: 367/286 Day: 10/13 Hour: 1/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Omnipotence and the Existence of Evil
NeoPagan
Inactive Member


Message 13 of 25 (41729)
05-29-2003 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by truthlover
05-22-2003 3:52 AM


"That would not be the first thing I would expect, but because I believe in God, and believe I have experienced God, and because I think that the God I believe in claims to be Creator of the universe, and I see that evil and suffering do exist, I ask the question, "Is it logically impossible for what I see and believe to be true."
I believe that what we see and believe to be true is actually an "illusion" that we have created ourselves for a purpose that involves growth and evolution. Suppose we "agreed" with God and helped him create the "illusion" of pain and suffering and evil before we actually came into this existence? Suppose we have never actually experienced anything that we did not "agree" to experience beforehand & that we came into this life for the express purpose of experiencing the darkness? This would be consistent with a good and benevolent God and with the existence of pain and suffering. Of course, the next question would be "why" we would agree to such a thing. I believe we did so to "experience" and to understand who we are. You can't comprehend "light" unless you have also experienced "dark." You can't truly appreciate "joy" if you don't also have some concept of "despair." I also believe that the Eastern belief in Karma and reincarnation are very relevant beliefs that would add to belief in the existence of a benevolent and just God. Karma would say that we are simply part of a "Cause and Effect" system of balance, and that whatever our actions are towards another, we will at some point experience exactly that (The Biblical concept of "Do unto others.") Reincarnation asserts that nobody gets a better lifetime than anyone else or is less free of suffering. In the balance of many lifetimes, we all experience being beautiful, ugly, rich, poor, black, white, predator, victim, etc., until we have had the entire human experience and our souls have "evolved." This makes much more sense to me than the Christian struggle of trying to figure out a benevolent God & a horrific world.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by truthlover, posted 05-22-2003 3:52 AM truthlover has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 14 by crashfrog, posted 05-29-2003 11:10 PM NeoPagan has replied

  
NeoPagan
Inactive Member


Message 15 of 25 (41802)
05-30-2003 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by crashfrog
05-29-2003 11:10 PM


Yes, I believe we are in a situation very similar to the Matrix, except that I believe we voluntarily created it.
There are people who can actually move things by concentrating very hard. I've seen people in person who bend spoons, etc. by concentrating. I've seen people who are very much able to "manifest" whatever it is they want in their reality to a greater extent than others. I've seen people in churches who can produce "miracles" etc. (they believe God is doing it for them, but, as I believe we all actually ARE God having a human experience--part of an illusion of small, separate parts that are actually a whole--I believe they are actually creating it themselves). I believe part of it has to do with our minds and the fact that we only use about 10% of the power we have. I also believe it has to do with a level of "consciousness" and "awareness" that few of us ever achieve until we reach a pretty advanced state of evolvement. (Many people believe that "soul age" or how many lives we've actually had on this earth have a great deal to do with our abilities and how able we are to adjust and do well with the situations we encounter here. You wouldn't expect a five year old to do what a 40 year old could do). Metaphysic people also believe that there are many "planes" of learning & growth besides earth, but it seems to be a general consensus that earth is one of the very hardest "schools", and that everybody (no matter how badly they may appear to be doing) is very strong and courageous for making the decision to come here at all.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 14 by crashfrog, posted 05-29-2003 11:10 PM crashfrog has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 16 by crashfrog, posted 05-30-2003 4:59 PM NeoPagan has replied

  
NeoPagan
Inactive Member


Message 17 of 25 (41974)
06-02-2003 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by crashfrog
05-30-2003 4:59 PM


Yes, I have seen two people concentrate and bend spoons (not part of any show). I knew a man who was dying from AIDS and believed that he would get well, and he did. I saw the before and after medical reports--Positive for AIDS and then he tested negative--(he tested again several times for people who did not believe it).
I don't believe any of the so-called "Supernatural" things that happen are actually supernatural. I believe there are things entirely within our power that we haven't even begun to grasp. When a person who is on his death-bed is suddenly & "miraculously" healed--I don't believe it's supernatural. I believe that ability exists in all of us--I just believe that a few people now and then actually "connect" with it and are able to "manifest" it. But because we rarely see something like that happen and don't understand it, we call it "Supernatural" or a "miracle." I believe the mind & emotions are much more powerful than the body.
I think you could bend spoons. I believe there are certain "laws" we have created in this reality, but because I believe it's all an illusion, and I also believe we are also capable of "manipulating" those laws when we grasp the illusion. Just like in the Matrix--they all obviously have lesser or more advanced "capabilities" when they enter the Matrix, and only "the one" (as they say) has fully evolved & can basically do anything. (A comparison to a Jesus or Buddha character). I don't believe there are a lot of extremely evolved people on this planet right now. We wouldn't have the wars & the things going on at the moment if there were.
I don't know why people fail those tests under controlled situations, but I do believe that they would never submit themselves to those tests in the first place if they hadn't been honestly capable of doing some things & believed they could still do so in a test. (Who would humiliate himself like that?) I know a woman psychic that I talk to regularly who lives in Colorado, while I live in North Carolina. I can tell her somebody's name (somebody she's never met), and based on the name, she can tell me all about that person's personality, problems--intimate, detailed information that she has no way of knowing. (There's no way I can doubt her--she's done it over and over and over--amazing things that she couldn't possibly know). But--if I were to ask her what color shirt the person is wearing at the moment, she could not tell me. And I know if she were being tested under controlled conditions, and shirt color, etc. was the type of questions being asked, she would fail. Her ability has to do with being able to pick up a person's (or animals) "vibrations"--(which is what all psychic people do), but there are some very practical things they can't pick up. I had a cat that was very depressed one time, and I asked her about it. (I gave her no information other than the cat's name). She told me that my cat was grieving for another cat that had just died. (Which was true--I had an older cat that had just been put to sleep). But--she could not have told me what I feed my cat for dinner if I asked. I think people fail those tests because of the nature of the tests and lack of understanding about what a psychic is actually picking up on, etc.& how it works.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 16 by crashfrog, posted 05-30-2003 4:59 PM crashfrog has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 18 by crashfrog, posted 06-02-2003 10:27 PM NeoPagan has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024