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Author Topic:   Omnipotence and the Existence of Evil
compmage
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Message 2 of 25 (40989)
05-22-2003 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by truthlover
05-22-2003 3:52 AM


truthlover writes:
That said as a long introduction, my position is that it is logically possible for an omnipotent and beneficent Creator to create a universe in which evil is possible and suffering is common, and that a kind Creator would not necessarily intervene in every circumstance of evil and suffering, leaving such intervention to the mercy or lack of it in his creatures.
Only if you limited omnipotence or define beneficent in such a way that God could be willing to allow evil and suffering while at the same time being capable of removing them and still be considered beneficent. Which kinda defeats the point.
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compmage
Member (Idle past 5183 days)
Posts: 601
From: South Africa
Joined: 08-04-2005


Message 4 of 25 (41005)
05-22-2003 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by truthlover
05-22-2003 9:24 AM


truthlover writes:
I think most people who have believed in an omnipotent and beneficent God in the past have defined beneficent in just such a way. Why does it defeat the point?
I think we understand the meaning of the word differently.
Dictionary.com defines it like this;
1) Characterized by or performing acts of kindness or charity.
2) Producing benefit; beneficial.
Given the definition above it is posible to be morally repulsive, but provided you occassionally perform a benificial act you would be considered beneficent. If this is how you were using the word then you are correct. It does however allow that God might not be worthy of worship. Which, if your goal is to convert people to the worship of this particular God, kinda defeats the purpose.

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compmage
Member (Idle past 5183 days)
Posts: 601
From: South Africa
Joined: 08-04-2005


Message 10 of 25 (41041)
05-22-2003 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by truthlover
05-22-2003 3:22 PM


truthlover writes:
For me, the whole issue is easy. The time is coming when we'll have something to show that impresses more than just ourselves, or I really am wrong, and I'll have to join you guys. For the moment, I'm impressed.
And until such time I see no reason to suppose the existance of a God.
I have one question though, how long are you willing to wait before deciding that maybe the evidence you are expecting isn't coming?
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He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
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