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DorfMan
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Message 7 of 81 (407444)
06-26-2007 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by RAZD
06-26-2007 10:07 AM


I just came across this ---- disgusting
Chimera embryos have right to life, say bishops
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
Last Updated: 1:01pm BST 26/06/2007
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Embryonic stem cells explained
Human-animal hybrid embryos conceived in the laboratory - so-called “chimeras” - should be regarded as human and their mothers should be allowed to give birth to them, the Roman Catholic Church said yesterday.
Under draft Government legislation to be debated by Parliament later this year, scientists will be given permission for the first time to create such embryos for research as long as they destroy them within two weeks.
advertisementBut the Catholic bishops of England and Wales, in a submission to the Parliamentary joint committee scrutinising the draft legislation, said that the genetic mothers of “chimeras” should be able to raise them as their own children if they wished.
The bishops said that they did not see why these “interspecies” embryos should be treated any differently than others.
The wide-ranging draft Human Tissue and Embryo Bill, which aims to overhaul the laws on fertility treatment, will include sections on test tube babies, embryo research and abortion. Ministers say that the creation of animal-human embryos - created by injecting animal cells or DNA into human embryos or human cells into animal eggs - will be heavily regulated.
They insist that it will be against the law to implant “chimeras” - named after the mythical creature that was half man and half animal - into a woman’s womb.
The bishops, who believe that life begins at conception, said that they opposed the creation of any embryo solely for research, but they were also anxious to limit the destruction of such life once it had been brought into existence.
In their submission to the committee, they said: “At the very least, embryos with a preponderance of human genes should be assumed to be embryonic human beings, and should be treated accordingly.
“In particular, it should not be a crime to transfer them, or other human embryos, to the body of the woman providing the ovum, in cases where a human ovum has been used to create them.
“Such a woman is the genetic mother, or partial mother, of the embryo; should she have a change of heart and wish to carry her child to term, she should not be prevented from doing so.”
The draft Bill will also allow the screening of embryos for genetic or chromosomal abnormalities that might lead to serious medical conditions, disabilities, or miscarriage. It will permit doctors to check whether an embryo could provide a suitable tissue match for a sibling suffering from a life-threatening illness.
The Bill would abolish the requirement for fertility clinics to consider the need for a father when deciding on treatment. This means clinics will no longer be able to deny treatment to lesbians and single mothers.
The Catholic bishops said that most of the procedures covered by the Bill “should not be licensed under any circumstances”, principally on the grounds that they violate human rights.
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DorfMan
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Message 37 of 81 (410467)
07-15-2007 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Doddy
06-26-2007 9:47 PM


It is defined for you
quote:
Nobody knows how to define a person. But, I don't think you should choose a particular stance just because it is easy to define, but rather you should choose one that matches the feelings of morality that you have, and leads to the most acceptable conclusions.
Those "feelings of morality" are pressed on the individual who has been given the right to choose what those "feelings" should be. In other words, no one has the right to determine for me or you. It is the consequences for going against the mandates set forth for a believer that sway the selfsame. And not just in the quoted organization. Too many forget the gift, which sets the standard for the relationships we have regardless, of self-determination regardless. The fear created sets in motion an unwillingness to go with what is right and reasonable and logical in the mind.
quote:
You shall not kill.54
You have heard that it was said to the men of old, "You shall not kill: and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment." But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment.55
2258 "Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being."56
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm
Read more in the link.
The decree:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's.66
======Any idea what the above is saying? In the moment when self-defense is necessary, a man stops to think how much force is necessary to stay alive?======
The contradiction:
2267 Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
It is not ok to kill, it is ok to kill. Mostly, it is forbidden to think for oneself, the decision as to what is what is determined for the not-thinker. Sheep are dumb. Either something belongs to me, or it doesn't. If it does, I decide how it should be used.

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