Endtime Prophecy and the European Union

Dear PaulK
Let me get this strait. Do you believe that Jesus is the "only begotten" son of the living God, that he rose from the dead and that he was seen by many then went to be with the Father and is coming back to gather the Christians to himself until it is time for him to return and set up his kingdom on Earth?

That is totally irrelevant to the question of the accuracy of something as silly as End Time Prophecy and the European Union.What someone believes has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not something is accurate or as in the case of End Time Prophecy, just nonsense that has been shown to be wrong time after time after time after time ...

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

"At hand??" When was that written, again?

I'll answer with another question. Do you believe that it is right to twist and misrepresent the words of the Bible ? I do not.

On the contrary
It has everything to do with it. If you don't believe Jesus is Lord then there isn't much chance that you will believe the words he spoke or understand them. You may agree with some of his teaching, that is understandable, but you have no reason to believe the prophecies. PaulK said that Jesus was wrong about Daniel 9. That tells me that he does not except Jesus authority as God's only begotten son. And if this is true then it is usless to argue prophecy with him. There are things hidden in the word that nobody can understand without the Holy Ghost (That would be Jesus Ghost) revealing it to him. So the discussion takes a turn to the right untill he realises Jesus Lordship, at which time scriptures will become light.

Paul
If you do not think it is right to twist the scripture how can you say that Jesus was wrong. You contradict yourself.

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If you do not think it is right to twist the scripture how can you say that Jesus was wrong. You contradict yourself.

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No, I do not contradict myself. Now will you answer my question ?

Yeah, the old Gnostic idea that there is hidden meaning that is only revealed to the few. Nice con, works well.But so far no one has been able to explain how you can be sure it is the "Jesus Ghost" (LOL) and test it.But you can test what is written against reality and that shows that so far, all the prophecy crap that has been presented is simply false.Bring on a Prophecy and we will gladly take a look at it but don't wast time on nonsense like the veri-chip cause that dog don't hunt.So far all the folk that support End Time Prophecy have done is pervert the Bible and what is written. What you are doing, my friend, is called Blaspheming the Holy Ghost.Think on that while you still have time.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I believe the bible is the word of God. And being the word of God it is a dangerous thing to purposely twist or misinterprit it. However , we are not programmed from birth with the whole knowledge of the scripture. it is a growing prossess. I once believed i was reencarnated until the lord proved me wrong. I once believed that Caesar was the beast from the pit until the Lord proved me wrong. I am growing and you may be able to show me something that will prove me wrong in some area. I hope so. In the mean time i believe that the abomination that causes desolation is yet to come. Why? Simple. Jesus said so. Can you prove Jesus to be wrong?

OK, it requires some discussion of Daniel, so we'll start with an easy bit.Daniel 8 is one of the clearest prophecies in Daniel. It refers to the growth of the Persian Empire (8:3-4, 8:20) , Alexander's conquest and the division of his empire (8:5-8, 8:21-22). It goes on to point to a ruler who will come from one of the successor states who will attack Judah, conquer it, ban the sacrifice and set up the "transgression which causes horror" (as the NASB translates it). (8:9-14).8:17 and 8:19 state that these prophecies refer to the "time of the end".Antiochus IV Epiphanes fits the description. But the last of the Successors states - Ptolomaic Egypt fell to Rome in 30 BC. Nobody later could possibly fulfill the prophecy.

You said "But you can test what is written against reality and that shows that so far, all the prophecy crap that has been presented is simply false."
How can you say that given all of the talk on here about the EU?
Daniel said the beast would have 10 horns. He said these were 10 kings. The EU has 10 nations who have control over the rest. Their High Representative is in negotiations with all of the nations involved in the middle east peace prossess. He has alraedy declared that it should be a 7 year term on the agreement.
The Catholic Church is a perfect match to the prophecy of Babylon the Great in Rev 17. They are dressed in scarlet and purple. they practice many of the heathen rituals as part of Christian doctrine, They pray to the saints which is an act of worship, There are 7 hills where the vatican sits, waters being nations, they sit in control of many waters,
Israel has made ready most of the material, if not all, that it will take to rebuild the temple in Israel, They could never find a red heifer but now have a whole herd, all of the harps are ready, they priestly robes, even the training of the levitical priests, that list goes on. They are there to look at.
Israel has become the center of attention around the globe.
Christ is preached in almost every nation in the world.
The US is beginning to fit the discription of the second beast of Rev.
Gog and Magog are set in place.
Are you telling me you can't see this? There are many Christs and antichrists just as Jesus said there would be. There is an asteroid hit discribed in rev 8. The timing seems in direct match with the one they are watching today. It could be it???
Tell me you see none of this and i will quit wasting my time on this forum.

Did you come here for confirmation of what you have been spoon-fed? If so, you are wasting your time.

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Well first of, that is simply a silly assertion to make and shows just how bankrupt End Time Prophecy is.The EU has 27 Member States. More Nonsense from the End Time Prophecy folk.They dress in scarlet and purple and black and white and green and blue. They practice NO heathen rituals. There are seven hill where Baltimore sits, while there are NOT Seven Hills at the Vatican or Vatican City. The Vatican Controls only one Nation, Vatican City.Can't you folk EVER get even one fact straight? No wonder folk just laugh at those pushing End Time Prophecies. Damn right I can't see that. All I see are folk who are totally delusional and that have no connection with either fact or reality. What in the world are you talking about? I just checked the news and no one is watch an asteroid hit, either here on earth or anywhere else at this moment. Aw, stick around. End Time Prophecy is always good for a laugh or two.

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i really dare anyone to pick the "10" that rule the rest. jesus, even the un is "ruled" by the g-7: United States of America, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, United Kingdom, Canadaor the g-8 (7+russia, which is bullshit anyways, cause russia isn't by any stretch of the imagination one of the eight most industrialized nations.) someone said something about scarlet and purple?

Well I take Christianity very seriously and the End Times Prophecy folk simply pervert all of the teachings. They are ignorant of what is actually in the Bible, and ignorant of the world we live in.Then they get upset when you point out just how silly their Prophecies are and actually post the passage from the Bible so others can see just how much they misrepresent what the Bible actually says.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

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