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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
First of all, look at the following NYtimes article.
quote: I have some gay friends that consistently insist that bisexuality is just an unstable phase and that people would eventually grow out of it. I personally don't know. So, does bisexuality actually a stable, permanent phase or is it a transitional phase in life? Ahem *molbigirl* {cough cough} We are BOG. Resistance is voltage over current. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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berberry Inactive Member |
I think some surveys like this are skewed. I think it's probably true that many, if not most, men who identify as bi are really gay, but I think there's also a lot of men who identify as straight who sometimes have gay sex. Maybe some of those men should really identify as bisexual. I doubt they do, though.
W.W.E.D.?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Maybe some of those men should really identify as bisexual. I doubt they do, though. Hi there!
I think it's probably true that many, if not most, men who identify as bi are really gay I know a plenty bi men and even more bi women. I can guarantee I'm not gay, and neither are any of them.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2672 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
Ahem *molbigirl* {cough cough} Well, without looking around a bit in pubmed, I can only speak from experience. I don't know any bi boys. I know lots of bi girls. And most bi girls I know are just a smidge gay or straight ... some like boys just a bit more and some like girls just a bit more. ABE
Only 1/3 of lesbian respondents stated that they were 100% attracted to women. The remainder ranged from 50 to 95 percent attracted to women, tending strongly toward a predominance of homosexual over heterosexual feelings. In contrast, bisexual respondents covered the entire range of feelings of sexual attraction, excluding both extremes of 100% attraction to either sex. Homosexual and heterosexual feelings were not equally distributed among bisexual respondents; 61% reported predominantly homosexual feelings while 22% reported predominantly heterosexual feelings. In sum, exclusively homosexual feelings were unique to lesbian respondents and predominantly heterosexual feelings were unique to bisexual respondents. However, most lesbian respondents and most bisexual respondents shared a nonexclusive preference for women. The Politics of Sexual Identity: Sexual Attraction and Behavior among Lesbian and Bisexual WomenPaula C. Rust Social Problems, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Nov., 1992), pp. 366-386 Edited by molbiogirl, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Only 1/3 of lesbian respondents stated that they were 100% attracted to women. The remainder ranged from 50 to 95 percent attracted to women,... Now where is the result of lesbian respondance and their attraction to men? Isn't this biased data reporting? Or bad question? One could be attracted to every single woman and still find some men attractive. Edited by RAZD, : added compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2672 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
Now where is the result of lesbian respondance and their attraction to men? If I'm reading this paper right, it sounds like "50 to 95 percent attracted to women" means the remainder of the lesbians (the other 2/3s) ranged from 50% attracted to women (it's a toss up ... they like men and women equally) to 95% attracted to women (95% of time attracted to women and 5% of time attracted to men).
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
it sounds like "50 to 95 percent attracted to women" means the remainder of the lesbians (the other 2/3s) ranged from 50% attracted to women (it's a toss up ... they like men and women equally)... But I don't see 100% attracted to women as being exclusive of being attracted to men. Maybe it's just the way I read it, but I see it as possible to be 100% plus 25% men. If that's what they mean then it is worded badly ... IMH(ysa)O {abe} In other words there is ALSO a scale of how much you are attracted to other people that is being ignored here. Some "loners" are attracted to very few people and some "wild extroverts" are attracted to just about everyone. {/abe} Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : No reason given. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Hi Taz,
I have some gay friends that consistently insist that bisexuality is just an unstable phase and that people would eventually grow out of it. Why would they insist that? Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
mark24 writes:
You're asking me? Why would they insist that? We are BOG. Resistance is voltage over current. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Taz writes: Is that all they are going on? Genital arousal patterns? sheesh. In the new study, a team of psychologists directly measured genital arousal patterns in response to images of men and women. Sexuality is a lot more than arousal patterns.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Phat, do you have to comment on everything about everything?
We are BOG. Resistance is voltage over current. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
When people go around denying the existence of things that observably exist then they are wrong. It's that simple.
I know plenty of people, men and women, are are attracted to and sleep with, both men and women. What more do you need to establish the existence of bisexuality?
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AnswersInGenitals Member (Idle past 182 days) Posts: 673 Joined: |
Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, and a whole lot of other Greeks and Romans were actively bisexual. Also, bisexuality has been extensively observed in other species and often commented on in this forum. Hard to believe that this is all due to closeting or self deception. It seems that such overwhelming evidence for real bisexuality calls the methodology of this particular study into question. I always have doubts about such studies that use simplistic measures for very complex behaviors. In particular, restricting arousal to visual inputs while ignoring smell and touch seems to restrict any possible conclusions. Also, maybe the females whose pictures were shown just weren't the bisexual subjects type. I'm a heterosexual (if memory serves), but very few females (homo sapiens) turn me on.
As for Phat's comment: Sexuality is a lot more than arousal patterns. (post no. 10) Well, no. Sexuality is exactly arousal patterns. But arousal can refer to a hole lot of stuff other than genitals, which is probably what this study was restricted to.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
it occurred to me that a friend of mine who is gay once said that he rarely achieves an erection. i wonder if this is because he generally 'receives' and doesn't like penile stimulation. so. i wonder if bisexual men might tend to receive and maybe thus not have a need to get a measurable "genital" response to pornographic images of men.
but i haven't known a lot of bisexual people in general, so i can't give any anecdotal evidence.
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AnswersInGenitals Member (Idle past 182 days) Posts: 673 Joined: |
Is it irony, coincidence, or design that this topic is posted right in the middle of LGBT "Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Pride Month" (google on it)? Perhaps to answer all these questions we can go right to the horse's mouth (no pun intended - well, maybe a tiny pun).
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