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mike the wiz Member (Idle past 248 days) Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
'But if you're going to stroll out in public and start telling people that they should also believe in Christianity, they're going to ask you why they should. If your reasons don't meet their standards, they're going to point out why that is'
i never have done this nor have i tryed to do it.if i did i would ask them to read the new testament which personally i did believe! i am not forcing anything on anyone.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: From post #15:
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Rrhain Member (Idle past 261 days) Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
mike the wiz writes:
quote: No. The afterlife doesn't work that way. Whether you end up in Tartarus or the Elysian Fields has nothing to do with whether or not anybody else died for you. It has only to do with what you did.
quote: What does that have to do with anything? Do you seriously think that if it weren't for the various religious organizations going out of their way to spread the Bible around, it would survive? By the way, if you're going to go by numbers, then I suggest you start learning Arabic...it seems that the number of Christians in the world is decreasing while the number of Muslims is increasing.
quote: Incorrect. The majority of people on earth are not Christian. Only about one-third are. Going by the numbers, most people on this planet think you're god is nothing more than a fantasy you made up. ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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mike the wiz Member (Idle past 248 days) Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
'Going by the numbers, most people on this planet think you're god is nothing more than a fantasy you made up.'
i did not make the bible up , it says everything in it is true and can you disprove it? 'No. The afterlife doesn't work that way. Whether you end up in Tartarus or the Elysian Fields has nothing to do with whether or not anybody else died for you. It has only to do with what you did' where as in the bible nothing we do is worthy of heaven.the only way to heaven is Jesus Christ who does not require us to physically fight anyone!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1721 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
i did not make the bible up , it says everything in it is true and can you disprove it? That's a great question for Rrhain! Since he's so certain that negatives can be proved, I'd like to see him tackle this one. Now, me, I'd say that since Mike is making the positive claim ("the bible is true") it's up to him to support it. Otherwise we'd just yell "Prove it is!" "No, you prove it isn't!" back and forth. Anyway, why would you use evidence from the bible to confirm the bible itself? That's circular reasoning - assuming what you are trying to prove.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Lol... I was thinking that too. ------------------
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9012 From: Canada Joined: |
Let's see Mike, The bible says everything in it is true so since it says so it must be true, right? Hardly a compelling argument is it?
Now you say it can't be disproved? Well, the problem is what do you think it says? God exists? Sure if you're careful about how you define that (or don't define it too carefully) then I guess that can't be disproven. So what? What specific things does it say that have any chance of being disproven? It seems in other discussions here some of the apparent bible statements are being shown to be on shaky ground. I know the bible doesn't say some things very clearly. Things like the age of the earth for example. If you say it says some specific number then you'd better pick that number very carefully or it will be disproved.
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mike the wiz Member (Idle past 248 days) Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
'Let's see Mike, The bible says everything in it is true so since it says so it must be true, right? Hardly a compelling argument is it?'
i meant only that it can not be completely removed by any suggestion, also he said something silly suggesting i made the bible up, and i disagree it is not only my belief but millions that believe , so stop trying to get me to proove it scientifically as you already know i cannot, all i was saying is that the word of God is not a fantasy.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1721 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
all i was saying is that the word of God is not a fantasy. Right, but it's indistinguishable from one. Like all special revalation, third parties can't tell the difference between somebody recieving private messages from god and somebody who's lying about it. For all you know the bible is a work of fiction that people mistakenly believe. I would point out that (especially at the time the bible was written) there's significant financial reward for starting religions, especially ones that tell you to donate all your worldly goods to the church or you won't get into heaven.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
And if I'm not mistaken (which I might well be), wasn't it fairly common practice in the Roman Empire to deify political figures after they died?
----------------------------- Dan Carroll
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Mister Pamboli Member (Idle past 7831 days) Posts: 634 From: Washington, USA Joined: |
quote:But third parties can assess whether the prophet is otherwise reliable or otherwise personally authoritative, and whether the messages passed on are in keeping with what they hold to be authoritative. In the fifth chapter of Matthew, Jesus is reported as saying: Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. There is something extraordinary going on here. It's quite exceptional in the context of the time for someone to expand the teaching of a verse, not by exegesis, but by a straightforward appeal to their own authority. Why would anyone listen? Because Jesus of Nazareth, impressed sufficient personal authority to be taken seriously. So third parties do have means of assessing the good faith, if not the objective truth (whatever that is), of a prophet. And naturally enough different third parties do this in their own ways, and we end up with a all sorts and conditions of religions based on who or what we take to be authoritative. But to say that third parties cannot tell the difference is to too far. As human beings we have evolved myriad complex and subtle ways of understanding our fellows and assessing their unverifiable claims.
quote:I think it is pretty clear that whatever else it may be, the Bible is not one work, and of its many works, many are not fictional - mistaken, perhaps, but not a fiction. quote:What time would that be - all through the history of Judaism and into the Greek diaspora? And where does it ask one to give all wordly goods to the church? The old testament closely regulates the tithes to be paid, which are certainly not all worldy goods and Jesus commends the ruler in Luke 18:22 to sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, not to the church.
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John Inactive Member |
The Caesars were 'gods' while they were still alive. No wonder the Romans were a bit cynical about religion, eh?
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nator Member (Idle past 2424 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You are missing the point. You point to various things in the bible to "prove" that your religion is true. In fact, you reject all of modern Biology because you take as historical and literal certain sections of the bible. Then someone points out that unicorns are mentioned in the Bible, and asks you if you believe in unicorns because they are in the Bible. You say that you don't believe in unicorns. Now, can't you see that you are being inconsistent, taking literally and holding hard to the exact wording of some sections of the bible and then turning around and just throwing some things completely away, such as the existence of unicorns? If you believe that Jesius died for your sins, then great, but if you are going to pick and choose from biblical accounts what really happened or existed depending upon your own personal whim, then I fail to see how using the bible to support your particular arguments is any more meaningful than what anybody else does in any other sect of Christianity or in any other religion. ------------------"Evolution is a 'theory', just like gravity. If you don't like it, go jump off a bridge."
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mike the wiz Member (Idle past 248 days) Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
'Now, can't you see that you are being inconsistent, taking literally and holding hard to the exact wording of some sections of the bible and then turning around and just throwing some things completely away, such as the existence of unicorns?'
but i have never heard unicorns mentioned in the bible , its a big book and honestly i just have not read it all. and his point was that i should have faith in unicorns not if i believe in them , in fact faith in God has purpose and is a gift from God that he is more important than an animal IS obvious and i dont recall the bible telling me to have faith in animals.whether unicorns exist or not.
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mike the wiz Member (Idle past 248 days) Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
why do you always pick on me schrafinator , i'm a nice boy .lol
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