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Author Topic:   Do you share the optimism of Edward O Wilson?
ogon
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Message 1 of 22 (402513)
05-27-2007 5:45 PM


I have been enthused by reading the posts on the EvC forum and through reading what I think are important books concerning Evolution and Creation. Most enjoyable so far have been E O Wilsons The Creation, and The Diversity of Life. Of course reading has also included Darwin and my next book shall be Carl Zimmers Evolution.
Most of what I have been reading understandably concerns the past. Some of what I have read also refers to the future. Just such a book is Edward O Wilson's, The Creation. I also downloaded an interview with Edward O Wilson which I believe was given after recieving an award at the American Museum of Natural History. During this interview he refered to the points below.
My point for discussion? Wilson's book, The Creation, is a direct appeal to save life on Earth. Wilson, refers to the numbers of species so far described on Earth and claims that up to now, 'between 1.5 and 1.8 million species have so far been described to date, and at least 10 million more await discovery.' Numbers, habitats and their geographical distributions need to be noted. My immediate question was, to what extent would such a mammoth task help towards saving life on Earth? Wilson's answer? 'The positive impact of this scientific knowledge on medicine, agriculture, and resource management will be beyond measure.
How else can we help to Save Life on Earth? Wilson says we could raise Naturalists. According to Wilson, 'Every child is a beginning explorer naturalist. Hunter, gatherer, scout, treasure seaker, geographer, discoverer of new worlds,' Wilson also says we should take our children to seashores, we should equipe them with microscopes.
Do you agree with Wilson's statement that scientifically describing up to 10 million species will help save life on earth beyond measure?
And secondly, how many children do you know are willing to become Naturalists?
I genuinly don't have an answer for the first question as I don't feel the least bit qualified or knowledgeable enough. But the second question I can have a personal attempt at answering.
I have been a teacher for the best part of 20 years and I have taught children 2-19 years of age of all abilities. I shall quickly get to the point. Most, if not all the children I currently teach would rather be handed an i pod than a microscope. And more to the point, they would know what to do with an i pod! Okay, I could educate them as to what a microscope is, but I can guarentee that if they believe it doesn't impact on their lives, they won't give a damn. Their environment is the street, not the Earth. Only this week I was sitting in a carpark next to a river reading 'The Creation' when a minibus of school children pulled up. A lovely river environment in which to discover wildlife diversity? Yeh right! Chasing mother ducks and their chicks is fun, throwing stones into the water is fun, and believe it or not, getting out a catapult and shooting ducks is even more fun! Yes, I did point these things out to the teacher. In return I got a grump, a huff, and the following comment, 'weren't you ever young?'
Saving life on Earth is a whopping job. Most people are only concerned with their own human life on Earth unaware of the dependancy of their lives on natural life. Classifying species and educating the youth will help to rectify things? Easier said than done. I personally don't share Wilson's optimism, do you?
ogon

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ogon
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Message 5 of 22 (402570)
05-28-2007 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Phat
05-27-2007 7:41 PM


Re: Teacher gets a SoapBox
Phat writes:
I am curious as to what your overall optimism about being a teacher is in general.
There are lots of general teachers in the world. I would say my Father was my first teacher in that he taught me so much about the natural world in which we live.
Through his teaching I developed a love for and a basic understanding of nature. Teachers have knowledge and experience to pass on to students, and of course, as in the case of my Father, their children. Education does indeed begin at home.
But Fathers can’t be around all day with a family to rear so the educational duties get passed on to professional teachers. One hopes, that as well as their knowledge and experience in the world, teachers give a fair and balanced view of the world to students. While at the same time giving them room to develop and test out the world for themselves. It is probably healthy that students do go to professional teachers as what we hope develops in a student is an individual capable of making up his own mind about the world and not just a replicate of his Father.
I guess that’s where my optimism sits. I would hope, that the teacher that stands before a student, has that students hopes and aspirations as a priority. Unfortunately this has become less so in our education systems as the overall focus seems to have strayed from the student and is well and truly focused on the performance of the teacher. A teacher is no longer judged by what the students have learned in a lesson. But rather on whether he or she can convince a head teacher or similar that the intentions to teach that student were in the lesson plan.
It is the head teacher or observer then who determines whether the student has learned anything, whether they have or not is not important! What is important is whether the observer believes they have or not!
I guess I am not very optimistic about the future of education and being a teacher in general because it is my belief that we no longer have the child/student as our priority, instead producing paperwork and convincing others that students are progressing is our priority.
I believe also that as a consequence students themselves take nothing away from lessons, they don’t get the opportunities to explore and develop what they have learned, the teacher has the next target to move onto, and in response students become disillusioned with education altogether. And todays students are tomorrows parents. My teacher thinks more about himself than me and my parents don’t give a damn!
My optimism about being a teacher? Thanks for giving me the opportunity to blow off a bit!
Phat writes:
It is indeed a challenge to engage young minds. Share with us some success stories.
Most success stories go unnoticed. The reason I have taught children through such a wide range of ages is because I am a special needs teacher. I have been involved with the education of children ranging in age 2-19 years old. The principles of how children learn remain the same. The approach and content of the lesson change appropriately.
Like I said, success stories mainly go unnoticed. And most get forgotten. So much so that I advise teaching students to carry note books with them and list their successes with pupils. It makes for interesting reading and can help boost confidence at times when its needed. Some success stories do stick in my mind.
Persevering with a toddler who had mobility problems and teaching him to walk. Everyday helping him to stand up against a wall until one day he had the confidence in me to leave the wall and walk.
Being put into a class of post 16 students who would be lucky to get through their final year without being expelled! Through gaining trust and respect we all got through the year in one piece. It wasn’t easy believe me.
Today dear head teacher my aim is to help this toddler walk. Okay, it didn’t work today, maybe tomorrow. Yes I know it said ”today’ on my lesson plan but . . .
Phat writes:
Please tell us that you are an open minded teacher!
Open minded? Any more so and I would fall in!
The above post you refer to didn’t make the grade in it’s original form. As you now bring it up it may indeed provide a link to my accepted post regarding E O Wilson,s ”The Creation’.
My point being. what would happen if you assembled a car and left the brakes out? Easy, when it came to stop the car it wouldn’t stop! But you, the driver, wouldn’t know that until it was too late. You would have to do something drastic! Perhaps applying the handbrake will slow you down enough to swing into a u turn?
But as the car mechanic/technician you knew what would happen anyway.
Now let’s say you are the (hopefully intelligent?) creator of human life on Earth. Wilson tells us that the current population on Earth at present is past 5.4 billion (2005) By the year 2025, the population is projected to reach 8.5 billion. By mid century we are looking at the worlds population leveling off at 10-15 billion. It goes without saying really that at that rate sustainability isn’t a voluntarily option anymore.
My question was really directed at those who suggest human life on Earth was created by an intelligent creator. If this was the case, then don’t you think this creator, knowing we are eventually going to over populate the planet and its sustainability, would have supplied us with some form of braking system?
Perhaps that braking system comes in the form of Wilson and like minded people? But how feasible is a braking system given the complacency (see my points above) of our present generation and their future generations?
Okay Edward, I’m open minded, I share your optimism, train me to become a professional systematist and I’ll help turn your words into actions. Train me to become a professional biologist and I’ll turn children into naturalists. I would like to think education could play its part but I’ve been on the front line and the biggest enemy is those within education itself.
If I say anymore I will probably tie myself in knots!
ogon
Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed quotes and punctuation...to a degree

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ogon
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Message 14 of 22 (402638)
05-29-2007 3:07 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Quetzal
05-28-2007 10:11 PM


Re: Life Is Already Safe - Thank You - Sorta
I agree, it will take one hell of an event to end LIFE on Earth. To exterminate humans though might be a little easier. And I guess one thing Wilson is saying is that if we damage our ecosystems around the world in an ever increasing rate then there are limits to their survival, and ours. At the moment we are taking out facia bricks. But take out a keystone and the thing comes tumbling down! Before this happens Wilson wants us to take advantage of these ecosystems and the species they contain. They offer natural medicines,(there have already been great medicinal discoveries that are helping in the fight against cancer, aspirin also springs to mind) they offer substitutes to some man made materials, they offer potential to poorer countries for tourism,(such tourism is already big business around the world but the local people don't always benefit) they offer alternatives to the known foods that we eat, (Wilson suggests that iguana's taste like chicken, large sea turtles can be farmed much more efficiently and cost effective than our present meat providing animals) Wilson also sees no problem in clearing some land space in order to grow crops. Possibly genetically modified crops. The larger of these ecosystems provide much needed oxygen. Of course the destruction of ecosystems and the extermination of species will have a knock on effect to humans. We are part of the chain of life on Earth. Okay, we knock out all the visible life on Earth including ourselves but life will go on because as Wilson so often says, the largest of ecosystems is under our feet. These guys are gonna survive, again! So yes, I understand Wilson's thinking, but like I said earlier, I'm not sure I share his optimism. I can do everything in my power to save life on Earth but at the end of the day I don't have ultimate control or power do I? Bring on the worlds governments. What they want is what we are going to get. They are driven by forces much larger than what we are driven by.
ogon

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ogon
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Message 19 of 22 (403294)
06-01-2007 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Nighttrain
05-31-2007 8:26 PM


education
I want to return to the question of optimism now and explain why I started this thread.
Yes, I am enthused by guys like Wilson, and guys like yourselves, and as a teacher I have tried as much as I can to bring such enthusiasm about our world, and its present predicament, into the classroom and school environment. BUT, top of the agenda in our schools, at least here in the UK, is performance. Whether the students learn anything of any relevance isn't important. What is important is that schools can prove they are reaching targets and getting good ratings in exam results. Enough said I think.
What I attempted to do in my last school was use the school environment as a resource for teaching students about the world they live in and how to care for that world. I wanted to start a GREEN COMMITTEE. This would be a committee comprising students, teaching staff, parents, local businesses, and the local community. Basically, this particular school had quite a lot of grounds surrounding the school. My idea was to use these grounds to educate students about our world and the environment in which they live. As a committee we would section up the grounds and in each section plan and develop an area which could be used for educational purposes.The areas would be accessible to students from 2-19 years of age. Such as, a wet area to learn about amphibians and water life, a planted area of flower beds to learn about flowers, seed reproduction, e.t.c., a dry river bed area, an area of wild flowers, an area of cultivated vegetables, an area to attract wildlife and birdlife, you get the idea? The idea's would have come from the committee, manpower would have come from students, staff and parents, resources would have been supplied from local businesses.
I took quite a bit of time putting these ideas into a presentable format and presenting it to the headteacher. The result? nothing!
The school is focusing on other things at the moment! I believe these other things to be performance targets for both students and staff. I no longer teach at this school.
How about a worldwide network of REAL schools guys? Schools covering the basic curriculum areas but with a focus on REAL issues facing the planet and the lives of its inhabitants. There could also be an emphasis on particular qualifications and employment prospects related to these issues/areas.
This might seem a joke to some I guess, but can any of you guys see anything in such an idea?
ogon

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