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Heathen
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Message 16 of 26 (400238)
05-11-2007 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Wounded King
05-11-2007 2:45 AM


Re: What's the proof?
quote:
They are, however, offering $10,000 to anyone who can produce a genuine "living transitional."
Surely this should be an easy $10,000 for someone?
just walk up to him and say:
"here y'go.. I'm a living transitional, I'm evolving everyday"

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Rahvin
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Message 17 of 26 (400244)
05-11-2007 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by sidelined
05-05-2007 11:15 AM


Considering they mentioned the Bible within the first 10 minutes, as well as all of the "you're a sinner, you'd better watch out!" BS, I got the distinct impression that this had nothing to do with debate.
Ray and Kirk were simply "witnessing" to the audience, nothing more. They just wanted cameras and a few million viewers to watch them preach. If you notice, they said almost exactly the same things they say in their clips of regular conversion attempts. This was a publicity stunt, nothing more.
Make sure you watch the full, unedited version online. The edited version they played on TV, so I hear, was biased to the extreme against the Atheists.
Speaking of which, the moderator toward the end was being an idiot. The Atheists were asked about transitional forms, and responded that all species are transitional. The moderator kept interrupting the explanation to the point that the question was left almost unanswered. If he had just shut the hell up and let them speak, he might have cleared up one of the biggest misconceptions about evolution held by the American public.
I really wish Dawkins had been there, though. The RRS is decent, and I like them, but the fact is they aren't as verbally eloquent as Dawkins. He's just better equipped for public debate, I think.
My favorite part was in the Q&A session, when the RRS provided a laundry list of Atheist societies and statistics showing they have the lowest amounts of violence, murders, infant mortality, etc, and then showed the uber-religious US as being basically the worst, statistically. So much for "morality requires a deity."

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Phat
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Message 18 of 26 (400325)
05-12-2007 9:03 AM
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05-11-2007 2:40 PM


What Is Spirit? Ray Comfort vs Southern Comfort
Rahvin writes:
Make sure you watch the full, unedited version online.
Do you have a link to that, Rahvin?
Personally I never liked Ray Comfort that much. Why can't religious people just leave science alone?
Also...what is a transitional, anyway?

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Asgara
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Message 19 of 26 (400336)
05-12-2007 11:57 AM
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05-12-2007 9:03 AM


Re: What Is Spirit? Ray Comfort vs Southern Comfort
The link is in post 5.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 20 of 26 (400344)
05-12-2007 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by kuresu
05-05-2007 11:46 AM


Left Behind, or Turning the Other Cheek
Kuresu: Since when was Japan part of Europe? Methinks they need to check a map.
If they will concede the existence of earth 225 million years ago, they might be able to get the two close enough together to qualify as a domestic flight. Maybe.
Cameron's an idiot, so I'm betting the theo team will lose.
But he's an actor whose movies have lost a lot of money. They need him on TV so they kickstart a few DVD rentals.
Left Behind: The Movie - Rotten Tomatoes
But anyone who makes a believer out of Homer Simpson likely rates as a bona fide movie star anyway.
Thank God, It's Doomsday - Wikipedia
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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sidelined
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Message 21 of 26 (400405)
05-13-2007 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by cavediver
05-10-2007 3:02 PM


cavediver
You find it painful to watch the part about the third law that the atheists used?

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cavediver
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Message 22 of 26 (400406)
05-13-2007 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by sidelined
05-13-2007 10:24 AM


Hmm, not sure. What bit was that in? I'm full of man-flu so memory and thinking not at their best at the mo
ok, listening back to the evolution bit:
He completely ruined the crucial point that all fossils are transitional forms by preceding it and emphasising that all people are transitional forms, which is wholey confusing and somewhat erroneous - no wonder Bashir started talking about what were we transforming into as we grew older...
He should have just mentioned fossils, with the tiny caveat concerning species about to go extinct, and then explained what he meant. Beautifully simple - should have even mentioned the practically continuous change and the almost arbitrary demarcation of different species, which would have shot dead the stupid pictures that Cameron brought up and any mention of dogs giving birth to cats. Could also have pre-empted macro and micro very successfully at this point.
But he didn't and was forced to retreat into saying that only "thousands" of transitional forms had been found and were in such and such museum. Sounds like a complete defeat on his previous point of ALL fossils being transitional...
Macro-micro / taking steps to a mile - weak and too brief a response
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Phat
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Message 23 of 26 (400407)
05-13-2007 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Rahvin
05-11-2007 2:40 PM


Critical Thinking vs Comfort zones
Rahvin writes:
I really wish Dawkins had been there, though. The RRS is decent, and I like them, but the fact is they aren't as verbally eloquent as Dawkins. He's just better equipped for public debate, I think.
After watching the debate, I would agree with you that Comfort and Cameron were preaching. I also think that Dawkins would have appealed to the logical crowd very effectively...as he knows how to do so.
I don't believe that any side can win a debate such as this, however. There are different world views in play. What a person believes is pretty much what a person wants to believe. Of course there is only one basic logical way to look at things, but seen through the lens of different world views, conclusions may be relative. There is no absolute answer. (At least not collectively)

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Asgara
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Message 24 of 26 (400410)
05-13-2007 11:31 AM
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05-13-2007 11:21 AM


Re: Critical Thinking vs Comfort zones
Except that there was an obvious winner within 5 minutes of Comfort opening his mouth. HE called for this debate to "prove" the existence of god with OUT using faith or the bible. He lost. Cameron's side show was just comic relief.

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jar
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Message 25 of 26 (400411)
05-13-2007 11:40 AM
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05-13-2007 11:21 AM


Re: Critical Thinking vs Comfort zones
There is no absolute answer.
That depends on the question. When it comes to whether Young Earth and Special Creation are true, there is an absolute answer and that answer is "No!"
Comfort and Cameron are simply wrong. They may be as stupid as they appear, but it is unlikely anyone can be that dumb without practice and intent.
When it comes to issues such as age of the earth or evolution, world view plays no part EXCEPT as an excuse to be used by the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Rahvin
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Message 26 of 26 (400412)
05-13-2007 11:56 AM
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05-13-2007 11:31 AM


Re: Critical Thinking vs Comfort zones
HE called for this debate to "prove" the existence of god with OUT using faith or the bible.
Indeed. When he was listing through the Ten Commandments, I think he forgot that "Thou shalt not bear false witness" applies to HIM, too.
Not to mention the lies about evolution. Those would normally be excusable as simply ignorance, but he's been doing this idiocy long enough it's no longer an excuse. He's just a dishonest asshole who likes threatening people with fire and brimstone.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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