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Author Topic:   The moment of illumination
Kader
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Message 1 of 3 (400107)
05-10-2007 1:00 PM


  • At what moment did you believe (and why) ?
  • Since then did you ever doubted that you might be wrong ?
    For me it was inevitable.
    My parents being from different religions (muslim and catholic) they've never imposed any belief on me. When I was a kid though I believed in God because my parent did, they never gave me the bible to read or the Qu'ran, but they talked about God.
    I never really was part of a group of people sharing the same belief (no such thing as agnostic group..and even if there was, I didn't even know I was agnostic until not too long ago)
    As I grew up, I met many people, most of them religious (either christian or muslim) and they tried at some point to epxlain there view of God to me(with a confidence I admired). But everytimes they applied a flawed logic. The Qu'ran says its true, and so it is. If I had the audacity to point it out They gave me the "you don't understand yet" look. So I stopped, and I kept nodding until they finished.
    I couldn't understand the faith they had in a book. They didn't question it. I know that there is a lot of different interpretation, but each time, there is always a leap of faith, hence you don't know, but you choose to believe (and act as if you know).
    What made me agnostic is simply that unfounded stubborn faith and mostly the lack of integrity. I've seen muslim drink and gamble, I've seen christian preaching war etc etc.
    I said it was inevitable for me because I think that in most cases, if you don't mold the belief of a child early on, he will most likely be agnostic or atheist. This is from personal experience (hence, unfounded).
    *unfounded : For believer its founded on many things, like the number of people believeing and the validity of the message.
    Edited by Kader, : No reason given.

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     Message 2 by AdminPhat, posted 05-12-2007 8:43 AM Kader has not replied

    AdminPhat
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    Message 2 of 3 (400320)
    05-12-2007 8:43 AM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Kader
    05-10-2007 1:00 PM


    This topic has potential
    Hi, Kader. This topic has potential, but I want you to edit it and narrow the focus.
    Do you want Christian or Muslim or Faith Believers in general to comment on what it is that makes them believers?
    Do you want other agnostics and/or atheists to comment on why they conclude their beliefs as they do?
    In other words, what is your target audience?
    In relation to the title, what is the moment of illumination? Is it a relative epiphany for each individual? Are you wanting to open this topic up to religious and non-religious people alike?
    Here are the things you said that jumped out at me:
    Kader writes:
    I couldn't understand the faith they had in a book. They didn't question it. I know that there is a lot of different interpretation, but each time, there is always a leap of faith, hence you don't know, but you choose to believe (and act as if you know).
    What made me agnostic is simply that unfounded stubborn faith and mostly the lack of integrity. I've seen Muslim drink and gamble, I've seen Christian preaching war etc etc.
    I said it was inevitable for me because I think that in most cases, if you don't mold the belief of a child early on, he will most likely be agnostic or atheist. This is from personal experience (hence, unfounded).
    So you have several potential topics.
    Perhaps you could edit your topic and present it as a list of questions to people. Do you personally believe that you have had your moment of illumination yet or are you still open for further data?
    Get back to me with an edited version and I will consider promoting you. It looks like a Faith/Belief topic to me.

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    AdminPhat
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    Message 3 of 3 (400466)
    05-14-2007 3:15 AM


    Thread copied to the The moment of illumination thread in the Faith and Belief forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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