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Author Topic:   Creation account does not mention creation OF the planet.
Doddy
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Message 4 of 34 (398820)
05-02-2007 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
05-02-2007 7:11 PM


Ah, but perhaps if we read extra-literrally, it doesn't tell you the time of the Earth's creation.
It says the earth was created "In the beginning". It doesn't tell you whether that beginning was on the first day or many millenia before. God may have been hovering for billions of years.
Then, when He is finally ready, God creates light and darkness and seperates them. That is the first day. The creation of the earth falls outside that day, but how far outside is not mentioned.

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Message 19 of 34 (398888)
05-03-2007 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by ringo
05-03-2007 12:08 AM


Ringo writes:
Essentially, there was no time before that.
No, time started at "The beginning", not at the first day. There can be time without a cycle of light and dark, can there not?
'Day', according to the bible, is light that is separated from the dark. Before day, there comes darkness. When does day start? With daylight.
Thus, the beginning of the first day was when God created light. This occurred after the creation of the earth. Therefore, one could argue that the earth was created a long time before the first day, with a extended period of 'hovering' or 'brooding' over the waters (or whatever God was doing then).

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Message 24 of 34 (398961)
05-03-2007 7:35 AM
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05-03-2007 1:23 AM


Ringo writes:
So "days" are not just light separated from dark
quote:
Gen 1:4 "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."
Gen 1:5 "And God called the light 'Day', and the darkness he called 'Night'. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
God first separated the night from day, then created the lights to do it.
Ringo writes:
Time started "in the beginning", but there is nothing in the text to suggest that "the beginning" was anything other than the beginning of the first (extrapolated) day.
Actually, I think when it mentions that the morning and evening made the first day, and evening and morning weren't created until after the creation of the Earth, pretty clearly points to the Earth being made before the first day.
Edited by Doddy, : fixed quote

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Message 32 of 34 (399096)
05-03-2007 8:47 PM
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05-03-2007 12:41 PM


Ringo writes:
...why was the light/dark needed to determine the first day?
It's not needed, it just was the case. Genesis says God created the term 'day' to refer to a period of light, and the term 'night' to refer to a period of darkness.
Ringo writes:
The layout of the days is independent of anything that was created - sun, moon or light itself
Not at all. Genesis speaks of the time between the first morning and evening being the first day. Thus, the creation of divided periods of light (for without this, you cannot have a morning) is precisely what the layout of the days depends on.

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