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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3628 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Many people assume one cannot be a Christian and accept the findings of science about organic evolution. This is especially true when the Christian in question belongs to the subgroup known as 'conservative Christians' or evangelicals.
Many evangelicals do, in fact, become convinced that the evidence for an old earth and for organic evolution is overwhelming. When this happens they often find the experience disorienting. Past indoctrination has told them this position is impossible. They often believe they are alone. Not so--and a growing number of evangelicals are speaking out on this very point. Their example shows it is entirely possible to live as a Christian in the evangelical tradition while still accepting the clear findings of science. It would be beneficial to have a thread here where examples of 'evogelicals', or 'continuous creationists', can be spotlighted. As you encounter these individuals please mention them here. Provide links, wherever possible, to their statements and testimonies. This thread is intended as a resource rather than a debate arena. No links to atheists here, please. None to YECs. This thread exists to call attention to individuals--professional scientists, especially--who acknowledge themselves evangelicals who accept evolution. To begin, here are three noteworthy examples from recent news reports. ------------------ Mary Higby Schweitzer(discoverer of T.rex soft tissue fossils) Discover Magazine: 'Schweitzer's Dangerous Discovery'http://discovermagazine.com/2006/apr/dinosaur-dna quote: Keith Miller ASA: 'Theological Implications of an Evolving Creation'http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1993/PSCF9-93Miller.html quote: Jonathan Dudley Yale Daily News Column: 'Evangelical Christian believes in evolution'Page not found - Yale Daily News quote: Faith and Belief, please. ______ Edited by Archer Opterix, : subtitle. Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo repair. Archer All species are transitional.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3628 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Denis R Alexander
Evangelical Alliance (UK): 'Can a Christian believe in evolution?'Page not found - Evangelical Alliance quote: Edited by Archer Opterix, : brev. Edited by Archer Opterix, : added subtitle. Archer All species are transitional.
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Don't forget Francis Collins
Creation or Evolution? Yes! |
Christianity Today
My heart goes out to sincere believers who feel threatened by evolution and who feel that they have to maintain their position against it in order to prove their allegiance to God. But if God used this process and gave us the chance to discover it, then it seems anachronistic, to say the least, that we would feel we have to defend him against our own scientific conclusions. God is the author of all truth. You can find him in the laboratory as well as in the cathedral. He's the God of the Bible; he's the God of the genome. He did it all. TTFN, WK
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and all of the churches that are in Full Communion with the ELCA.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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truthlover Member (Idle past 4090 days) Posts: 1548 From: Selmer, TN Joined: |
Gosh, I think we're a great example:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 There's many ways in which we'd be called liberal, I suppose, but we follow the Scriptures quite literally, hold to pretty much all the views of the early church (as represented by the so-called "early church fathers," such as Justin, Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origen, etc.) We're radical or conservative enough to believe that Jesus meant it when he said that his disciples have to deny themselves and forsake all their possessions just like he said(Luke 9:23; Luke 14:24-33). But we're also open to what's obviously true, so the vast majority of us accept that evolution occured (molecules to mammals), though a lot of our members, due to backgrounds they've come from, really have a hard time with man evolving. The reason I think we make a great example is because for us it was a switch from taking Genesis very literally--whether we were old-earth or young-earth--to not taking it literally at all. The result of that switch was nothing at all. Nothing changed. It didn't affect our morality, our doctrines, or anything else I can think of, unless we appreciate nature a little more and are a little more awed as we look up at the sky and at the world around us. There's about 260 of us nowadays and we're beginning to grow much more rapidly than in the past.
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AnswersInGenitals Member (Idle past 182 days) Posts: 673 Joined: |
It would be interesting to know what these Evangelical Theological Evolutionists (ETEs) think of other biblical but extra-scientific doctrines, such as those of the virgin birth, the immaculate conception, the divinity of christ (including his bodily rising from the dead), the noatic world wide flood, etc. What doctrinal beliefs delimit a 'Christian'? When a great many persons who insist that they are Christian, including many of the members of this forum, actually describe their beliefs in detail, they sound much more like Buddhists. I apologize if these comments exceed the constraints you wanted to place on this thread. Please delete my post if you think it might take the discussion in a different direction than the one you intended.
Regards, AnInGe
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Pete OS Junior Member (Idle past 6131 days) Posts: 31 Joined: |
"What doctrinal beliefs delimit a 'Christian'? "
I don't think doctrinal beliefs delimit a Christian. What delimits a Christian is repentance of sin, faith in Jesus to save you, and thereafter an indwelling of the Holy Spirit. That said, this is grounded by at least some obvious doctrinal beliefs, such as Jesus really existed, really was the Son of God, and really rose from the dead (the last one being essential as described by Paul). I certainly agree with all the miracles of the Bible. I believe in the supernatural (I believe in God after all) so believing in the virgin birth is no issue. And we have no evidence to the contrary. (I am not Catholic so I don't have any opinion on their extra-biblical doctrines such as the immaculate conception). But we do seem to have evidence on the contrary that we were created as is just 6000 years ago, and that needs to be evaluated. Edited by Pete OS, : added a missing 'have'
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
He's Christian, but is he evangelical?
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Dr Adequate writes: He's Christian, but is he evangelical? Yes he is.
Aug. 7, 2006 | As the longtime head of the Human Genome Project, Francis Collins is one of America's most visible scientists. He holds impeccable scientific credentials -- a medical degree as well as a Ph.D. in physics -- and has established a distinguished track record as a gene hunter. He's also an evangelical Christian, someone who has no qualms about professing his belief in miracles or seeing God's hand behind all of creation. The cover of his new book illustrates this unusual mixture: The book's title, "The Language of God," is superimposed on a drawing of the double helix. "The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome," he writes. "He can be worshiped in the cathedral or in the laboratory." Here's the link. Scroll down past the ad for the Collins article. No, seriously, how much longer? | Salon.com Alister McGrath is an evangelical Christian. He has degrees in bot bio-chemistry and theology and is a professor at Oxford. Alister McGrath - Wikipedia In my view the most gifted theologian we have today is N.T. (Tom) Wright. He is an evangelical Christian who has no issues with science including evolution. N. T. Wright - Wikipedia Incidently in this wiki entry on him, it calls him moderately evangelical but he certainly refers to himself as evangelical in his lectures. Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
How about Pentecostal minister and paleontologist Robert Bakker.
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Didn't we have him posting here for a while?
TTFN, WK
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2544 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
for what it's worth:
http://EvC Forum: Is ID Scientific? (was "Abusive Assumptions") -->EvC Forum: Is ID Scientific? (was "Abusive Assumptions")by a certain Dr. Robert T. Bakker. really him? I don't know. Only one post made by the guy.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
since the only thing neccessary to being an evangelical according to jesus is to believe that he is the only source of salvation, and to follow the call of the great commission (to evangelize), it's very easy to be an evangelical christian and any number of other things. it seems to me, you don't even actually have to believe that jesus was crucified or raised or any such thing... just that he is the source of salvation.
this is a great thread. i hope people keep it up. it's nice to not be alone when everyone around you is telling you you're a satan worshipper or a complete moron.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3628 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
The article by Keith Miller quoted above mentions two people:
quote: Can anyone provide any further detail about Wilcox and Moltmann?Are they 'continuous creationists' themselves? ______ Archer All species are transitional.
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