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Author Topic:   Perfection of man. Or imperfection of God
Greatest I am
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Message 46 of 53 (393097)
04-03-2007 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Stile
04-03-2007 1:48 PM


Re: Perfection isn't a requirement
Many say that they have a relationship with God or Jesus or the saints or whoever. Do not take these people seriously. God does not have that kind of time.
The Bible seems to indicate that, other than Moses, if you want communication with God then you have to be in the spirit.
I call this “in the spirit” a trance like state where telepathic communication is taking place.
As to who sent the message. If the message leads you closer to God then this is a good indicator that it came from a benevolent character. If it leads you away from God then we would think otherwise.
There are many solutions to any given problem, There is only one best solution. God placed a Perfect system in place for us and continues to do so.

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Message 47 of 53 (393100)
04-03-2007 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Greatest I am
04-03-2007 1:56 PM


Re: Perfection isn't a requirement
DL,
I am about done with this I suppose. You are not wrong to feel as you feel, but you are not listening to Biblical opposition to your argument.
You are probably a deist. Maybe one who also follows Christ. But what you preach has little or nothing to do with the Bible.
I am not sure whether or not Jesus really had to do this because God would have taken on that burden right from the beginning. Perhaps we had forgotten with that original sin in place.
Now you go back to original sin! So all wasn't perfect? So Eve was wrong/ Get it together man. This is only the ramblings of your own mind in infancy stages trying to understand faith.
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anastasia
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Message 48 of 53 (393103)
04-03-2007 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Greatest I am
04-03-2007 2:19 PM


Re: Perfection isn't a requirement
GIA writes:
Do not take these people seriously.
I am trying not to take you seriously. Yet here I am responding again.
I call this “in the spirit” a trance like state where telepathic communication is taking place.
Which is a thing you claim to have experience of, even tho God does not have time for it. What is this 'spirit' if not a relationship with God?
As to who sent the message. If the message leads you closer to God then this is a good indicator that it came from a benevolent character. If it leads you away from God then we would think otherwise.
If it doesn't make sense, we can believe it came from Wonderland.

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Greatest I am
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Message 49 of 53 (393127)
04-03-2007 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by anastasia
04-03-2007 2:44 PM


Re: Perfection isn't a requirement
I believe that we have been misinterpreting the Bible for a long time now. 2000 years and we are no closer now as then in unraveling this book.
This book, although inspired by God, should be revued by the Vatican for clarification.
I believe that Jesus was the best and last prophet and that His philosophy is the best that the world has to offer.
You are right though about sin. The way I set it out was poor.
The point is that if God in His perfection made a perfect Adam and Eve then no original sin existed.
This is why I have my doubt about Jesus and the crucifixion and the forgiveness of sin. There may not have been any sin to forgive. God can only make Perfect souls.
Speaking with God is a quick thing. Telepathy does not last a long time. My little “think demographically” message has paid off in my thinking of God and coincidentally, the Jewish conflict is now being described almost constantly in demographic terms. My experience was 20 years ago. That term, I had never heard of then.----But you are right that if it did not make since then it should be considered a wonderland experience.
Regards
DL

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Doddy
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Message 50 of 53 (393190)
04-03-2007 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Greatest I am
04-03-2007 9:49 AM


Re: Perfection isn't a requirement
Greatest I am writes:
Satan has no physical reality.
Does God? Does this make Satan any less real than God? Are you saying that Satan doesn't exist?
Greatest I am writes:
A baby is born Perfect for the world it is born into. The child evolves to whatever conditions it finds.
But if it was perfect, the child wouldn't need to change! You can't get better than perfect!
Also, a change like this would not be called evolution per se, but rather acclimatization.
Greatest I am writes:
I see perfection at present when I look around.
I don't. Which means one of two things:
1: I cannot accurately tell what perfect is. Thus, my 'perfection sense' is imperfect.
2: You cannot accurately tell what perfect is. Thus, your 'perfection sense' is imperfect.
Either way, something is imperfect.

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Greatest I am
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Message 51 of 53 (393296)
04-04-2007 9:27 AM
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04-03-2007 8:45 PM


Re: Perfection isn't a requirement
Unless talking fire can be considered as a solid manifestation then I know of no time when God manifested in a physical shape. God I think does not have a corporeal body. Neither does Satan. Satan , talking snakes and fish that spit men out after three days must be considered artistic liberty on the part of the writers of the Bible.
Babies, now that Jesus has absolved us all of sin, are born perfect. Perfection at no time disallows evolving or growing or acclimatizing to new conditions.
Perfection as beauty as they say is is the eye of the beholder. Look for perfection and you will see it
An imperfect God is not even worth looking for. If you seek then seek perfection. How else can you recognize it.
Regards
DL

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Message 52 of 53 (393386)
04-04-2007 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Greatest I am
04-04-2007 9:27 AM


Re: Perfection isn't a requirement
Greatest I am writes:
Unless talking fire can be considered as a solid manifestation then I know of no time when God manifested in a physical shape.
Jesus? Or do you, like me, think the Bible clearly says Jesus was the son of God, not God Himself?
Anyway, I know God and Satan have manifest themselves, but as what I don't know - physical or as spirits?
An imperfect God is not even worth looking for.
Yes it is. I've already told you, I'd follow an imperfect God, and so did every single religion until the Abrahamic ones introduced the concept of all-power, all-perfect, all-God and all-knowing Gods.
How else can you recognize it.
Well, I'm not sure you can recognize perfection. After all, if you "Look for perfection and you will see it", then you will see perfection everywhere or nowhere. It's not a good observation if it depends on what you want to be true.

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Greatest I am
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Message 53 of 53 (397316)
04-25-2007 1:18 PM
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04-04-2007 7:14 PM


Re: Perfection isn't a requirement
I believe that Jesus was a prophet, the best and last.
He and His philosophy is the way.
I do have some problems with bodily resurrection and his forcast of end time. "It is at hand"
He cannot be God and also sit at His right.
He could not have been there at the beginning because Marie had yet to be born.
Perfection is all around. Look and you know the rest.
God is Perfect and can return at any time and find aPerfect world, the same way He left it.
Regards
DL

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