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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, that's a myth.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Thanks for the link. The article has important information that I'm going to excerpt here. (Please understand that I don't intend this as a rebuttal to you, rather, as important information about false and potentially misleading or dangerous pseudomedical claims.)
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Resveratrol appears to kill off cancer cells by depolarizing (demagnetizing) mitochondrial bodies within tumor cells. Wow. Does it also reverse the polarity, and generate a stable warp field, too? (Maybe it could generate a tachyon beam from the main deflector array.) Oh, and also, as disclosed at the bottom:
quote: Cancer is probably the disease most responsible for religion. It has all the hallmarks of a condition you'd seek religion to treat - it comes out of nowhere, with little warning, and is very often fatal. Medical science offers little hope but a grueling process of painful treatments with no guarantee of success. And it often takes a very, very long time to kill you. It's no surprise that even people who don't have cancer turn to religious nonsense and pseudomedicine. And it's unconscionable that so many people line up to provide it to them (at a "reasonable" fee.)
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
shouldn't that be "Oh Canada" eh? Why do you hate our freedom? "I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut." -Stephen Colbert
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5529 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
crashfrog wrote:
The state of medical etiology has just lurched forward. The next step will be the discovery that religion causes homosexuality. And then the next step will be the discovery that homosexuality causes colon-rectal cancer. All of which means that gays are screwed coming and going. Cancer is probably the disease most responsible for religion. It has all the hallmarks of a condition you'd seek religion to treat - it comes out of nowhere, with little warning, and is very often fatal. Medical science offers little hope but a grueling process of painful treatments with no guarantee of success. And it often takes a very, very long time to kill you.
”Hoot Mon
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Congratulations. You're the only person I've ever met who can hear unambiguously joyful news, like a possible cure for cancer, and decide it's a good idea to try and steer it towards his favorite subject... making fun of gay people.
Folks, can we ignore Ralph on this one? I'm actually finding this thread interesting, and would prefer to not let him steer it off into crazy-town. "I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut." -Stephen Colbert
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5529 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Sorry about drifting off (must be the Ralph in me). I'm back on topic now.
DC wrote: So, uh... looks like they cured cancer, then.No... seriously (see Message 1 for link). Look, I'm a ten-year-plus smoker. Can somebody who knows medicine please go ahead and tell me if this is legit or not before I start wildly pumping my fist in the air, laughing at cancer, and screaming, "USA! USA! USA!"? I think the aricle you cite is credible enough. I've been suspicious for a long time that pharmaceutical companies would like to conceal information like that this for obviously capitalistic reasons. The article concludes:
quote:The mutation part certainly concerns the genes, and I often wonder if oncogenes are predisposed to express when certain metabolic (or enviromental) conditions favor their expression. For you to ask about your risks from smoking, I'd say look at your family's health history to see if cancer was or is a significant problem. Maybe you will find that your relatives tend to sicken and die from other causes besides cancer. I know several heavy smokers who you'd think should be dead by now from lung cancer; and I have known several non-smokers who have died from lung cancer. So environmental factors causing cancer can be ambiguous. ”Hoot
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I stand corrected, cheers mate
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Um, you are kind of preaching to the converted, mate; surely you know that.
I mentioned Resveratrol mainly because I drink gallons of red wine and it has a similar effect and was pertinent to the OP so I thought it would be appropriate to chime in. Sorry if that bugged you. If I miss-judged the tone of your post then I appologise.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
If I miss-judged the tone of your post then I appologise. I was just messing around, friend. No intent to offend.
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5902 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
The US government's National Institutes of Health reports that two clinical trials with laetrile have been published. One Phase I study found that amygdalin caused minimal side effects; the side effects that were seen were similar to the symptoms of cyanide poisoning. (bold mine) This doesn't surprise me. I've always gotten a chuckle out of the idiots who frequent health food stores for things like apricot kernals, etc. Given the fact that they contain cyanogenetic glycosides (to prevent herbivory or seed predation, depending on the species), it never fails to strike me as odd that anyone would actually want to eat them. Amygdalin, the primary ingredient in laevomandelonitrile ("laetrile"), hydrolises to hydrogen cyanide fairly easily in the stomach. The fact that the "side effects" noted in the clinical trials were indistinguishable from cyanide poisoning is really a "no shit, sherlock" to me. Of course, I LOVE almonds and yucca (cassava or Manihot esculenta) root, which have the same problem, so maybe I shouldn't scoff... Edited by Quetzal, : Left off a phrase
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
The topic is a specific medical study about a specific chemical. Let's keep it there or I shut this down for awhile.
Maybe a longish while since there doesn't seem to be much to say on the topic until we have new information.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
No worries, dude; I reckon we are on the same side .
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truthlover Member (Idle past 4089 days) Posts: 1548 From: Selmer, TN Joined: |
If that first one doesn't work, maybe capsaicin will pan out. It's also been used to cure type-1 diabetes in rats.
Edited by truthlover, : messed up the url codes
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