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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
I have notice that when most of us pray , we pray for good things to happen to others, to ourselves, to the world etc.
We sometimes see our prayers answered, sometimes not. I believe that the spiritual world is in balance.The tree of knowledge has two sides, good and evil. Both limbs are of equal length. We stand in the crook of this tree seeing both limbs, one on each side of us. We must start our lessons on good and evil by starting to climb these limbs. Witch side do we start on. The easy side off goodness or the harder side of evil. From Eves point of view, She already has an example of good in the garden. God has already stated that it was good. Will she chose to learn about something she already knows. In climbing terms one leg is already up on the good side. The natural progression then would be to climb on the evil side in order to balance. This is the choice she made and it was the right choice. Why is it so hard for Christians to understand this simple truth. This would indicate to us that we must identify evil and name it before we can climb the other good side of the tree to find the good answer to whatever was found to be evil. This seems to be the logical thing to do.Why is this simple fact not understood. To do otherwise, or the opposite would make us look greedy for the good side while letting the evil side go hungry for solutions and answers from us. This would cause imbalance and seen in physical terms, the climber of the tree would have one leg way too high from the other and his stance is quite uncomfortable. If Eve simply stayed on the side of good, the tree would eventually bend towards that side and eventually break. Not God’s plan. She took the right path for humanity.We should thank Her and give the female side of humanity the just reward that it deserves. How does this effect praying.We see that good is always slightly ahead of evil on our climb. Should we then pray for more good and throw us off balance. No. Then should we pray for evil. In a sense yes. I do not mean to pray to Satan by my comment. I mean that those who truly believe should pray for personal evils “because we can take it” and by bringing evil upon ourselves we take it away from those less able to take it. IE. Of late I suffer physical pain. When I am in one of my painful times I pray for more pain in the hope that my absorption of physical pain will help shorten the distance that I need to reach up on the next step to the evil side of my personal tree and also for the same to others. God’s world is already full of prayers for pleasure and good. I think He is more likely to hear from those who wish to shorten the climb on the evil side instead of praying to the good side that is already shorter than the other. In conclusion.If we all pray for woes to come to ourselves then we increase the amount of goodness that is available to others. This is the Christian way. This is the message of turning the other cheek. RegardsDL
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Greatest writes:
This sentence pretty much sums up a large part of my point. It is YOUR belief. One problem I see with this is this isn't the Force where the chosen one is going to restore the balance of the Force and weed out the Jedi Order. This is christianity.
I believe that the spiritual world is in balance. The easy side off goodness or the harder side of evil.
I beg to differ. We know from historical references that people leaned toward what we perceive today as evil long before they leaned toward the good side. For example, bronze age wars more often than not brought about the destruction of entire cities and enslavement or even extinction of entire civilizations. After all, the promised land wasn't empty when the Israelites got there. Did those people just packed up and left? Even today, we can see examples of evil being the "natural" side people would choose. I started out evil, you know. And it just happens that the most bigotted christians out there are also the most ignorant.
The natural progression then would be to climb on the evil side in order to balance.
This is Earth, not The Galactic Empire. There's no such thing as a balance between good and evil.
Why is this simple fact not understood.
It's not a simple fact. It's not a fact at all.
To do otherwise, or the opposite would make us look greedy for the good side while letting the evil side go hungry for solutions and answers from us.
If you insist, should we start enslaving our neighbors again? May I suggest we invade Canada, sack their cities, and enslave their people? Mexico is another option.
We see that good is always slightly ahead of evil on our climb.
Actually, no it's not. If there's one thing history has taught us is that evil is always one step ahead of good. Let me explain why. The first question is why do societies generally progress toward what we would say as good? It is because each society is an entity like any other entity. Each society has the will to survive. And to survive, stability seems to be the best way to go at it. After all, how stable is your society if people can steal, rape, and murder at will? Such a society would very quickly break down and seize to exist. But let's look at it from another angle. Why do we have laws against stealing, rape, and murder? How come we don't have laws against people spreading their wings and fly up high? And further more, how come we only come up with the law against something after it's been demonstrated that people are capable of doing it against others? The reason for all of these is that some time in the past the acts of stealing, rape, and murder have been committed and people generally agreed that they were bad. Wouldn't it be silly to have come up with laws against an act nobody does, like flapping one's arms and try to fly? Evil, such as stealing, rape, and murder, was one step ahead of good, such as the laws against these acts. Looking at the greater picture, the international laws agreed upon by the international community are pretty much laws against horrid acts that at one time or other were committed by someone out there. Again, we don't see a law against you flapping your arms to try to fly. We see laws against acts people actually commit.
Then should we pray for evil. In a sense yes.
There's really no need to pray for evil. If there is such a thing as balance between good and evil and that good is too heavy, religious organizations, I'm sure, will eventually do enough evil to balance out the Force... I mean this good and evil thingy like they've done in the past.
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Kader Member (Idle past 3752 days) Posts: 156 Joined: |
I think what Greatest is trying to say is praying for BAD (evil) things on us (being a real martyr) is harder then asking for good things to happen to us.
Well I think. Because otherwise..taz pretty much summed it up
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
If you look around at the world today you can easily see that only a small minority of the population are practicing evil.
The vast majority of us are living live that God would be happy with. How you can say evil is ahead in this race is discredited by the numbers. This perfect world is living up to God's wishes. RegardsDL
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Kader Member (Idle past 3752 days) Posts: 156 Joined: |
Now wait a minute.
Lets define evil
Definition: 1. morally bad: profoundly immoral or wrong 2. harmful: deliberately causing great harm, pain, or upsetThis evil act is clearly the work of terrorists. 3. causing misfortune: characterized by, bringing, or signifying bad luckan evil omen 4. malicious: characterized by a desire to cause hurt or harman evil mood 5. devilish: connected with the devil or other powerful destructive forcesevil spirits 6. disagreeable: very unpleasantWhat an evil smell! Now whats evil for one person might be good for another, so asserting something like the majority of people are doing good things makes little sense.
The vast majority of us are living live that God would be happy with. Wich God ?
How you can say evil is ahead in this race is discredited by the numbers. What numbers ??
This perfect world is living up to God's wishes. Again, what God are you referring to ?
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
GreatestIam writes: I believe that the spiritual world is in balance. This is a belief that is not the same as Christianity. Christianity basically asserts that there is one God who is the Creator of all things. Evil was perhaps allowed to exist for reasons that we can only speculate upon.
These are all speculations, but what you seem to be talking about sounds more like dualism.
Encyclopedia writes: The term dualism can refer to a variety of doctrines, mainly in theology and philosophy, each involving the purported existence of two opposites of some kind. These opposites can be, among other things, opposing forces, or opposing ontological or epistemic categories. In other words, dualism presupposes two equal and opposite forces...whereas Christian monotheism (be it Trinitarian or strict monotheism) shows One Creator as the source and all realities as allowable creations in which humans can manifest. Edited by Phat, : spelling Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Convictions are very different from intentions. Convictions are something God gives us that we have to do. Intentions are things that we ought to do, but we never follow through with them. * * * * * * * * * * "Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system. I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance."- --Sir Isaac Newton
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
GreatestIam writes: I have notice that when most of us pray , we pray for good things to happen to others, to ourselves, to the world etc.We sometimes see our prayers answered, sometimes not. I believe that the spiritual world is in balance. Well, now you know why the spiritual world is in balance, even though we all pray for good. Whenever the world starts running low on Evil, God just ignores a few prayers.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
We sometimes see our prayers answered, sometimes not. As the old saying has it, "Pray into one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first."
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Doddy Member (Idle past 5935 days) Posts: 563 From: Brisbane, Australia Joined: |
The vast majority of us are living live that God would be happy with. Really? The majority of people worldwide don't believe that Jesus was divine. Would God be happy about that? Plus, I can give you a lot of verses in God's holy book, that shows He has another idea:
"Der Mensch kann was er will; er kann aber nicht wollen was er will." (Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills.) - Arthur Schopenhauer
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
God's main instructions to us included to go and reproduce and learn of good and evil.
Population are up and per capita death is down as more people are searching for God. Life is good too God regardless of name.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
GIA writes:
According to your logic, then, that Italy, Germany, Spain, and a lot of other European countries are going to hell. You do realize that their rate of population increase is in the negative, right? Population are up... On the other hand, the non-christian dominated countries are the ones that have the highest rates of pop increase.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
I do not know if there was at one time a God of evil and a God of good. If there was they were gobbled up by the one true God. Jesus might know, not I.
Lucifer a creation of God wears a name but is made of ideas and notions that are evil. He has no corporeal form and never did.God controls evil in the world in the same way He controls everything else, with Perfection. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
I said nothing about the population believing in Jesus.
I said God would be happy with their lifestyle. Thank you for the quotes, now lets return to the fact that more people do more good more of the time than on the evil side. As far as being born a sinner, I have had the opportunity to look upon the face of one of these young newborn sinners. Did not see a sin there. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Overall populations are rising.
More search God. Regards DL
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