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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
You are tracking well but consider.
God is one.From Him emanates the Holly Spirit. You indicated that God did not send out a number of Holy Spirits but in a real sense He does. Think of God casting out a large net called the Holy Spirit. The net is held by God at one end, the remainder of this net spreads out before Him. Each line of that net goes to touch a soul. The Holy Spirit binds all of us at all times with God through this touch. Now instead of a net it has the same shape if you will but instead of string it is made up of, dare I say it, telepathic tendrils. Thus allowing communication. Jesus, a great prophet, meant he was the spiritual son of God not the biological son. God is noncorporeal. Further it would be hard to say that Jesus was there at the beginning. He, as well as Marie where yet to be. It is also difficult to sit at the right hand of God if you are God.The jury is still out on physical Resurrection but mental resurrection is a fact. RegardsDL PS Did you write to "miner god". Your style looks familiar.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5616 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
kjv luke 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
kjv john 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, etc... kjv Revelation 1:8 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and , behold, I am alive for evermore, etc... Hal Lindsey The Resurrection On Trial Hal Lindsey Resurection On Trial - The Life Of Christ and his resurection are on trile today, Watch Christian Movies - Christian Films Christian Music Videos, Prophecy Movies (Higher Praise Christian Movies And Films) Edited by Charley, : No reason given. Edited by Charley, : No reason given.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3623 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
GIA: Jesus, a great prophet, meant he was the spiritual son of God not the biological son. God is noncorporeal. God is noncorporeal. Check.
It is also difficult to sit at the right hand of God if you are God. But you just said God is noncorporeal. No one really sits and no one really has a right hand. Difficulty solved. ___ Edited by Archer Opterix, : quest for perfection. Archer All species are transitional.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3623 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined:
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Charley recommends: Hal Lindsey The Resurrection On Trial Is this the same Hal Lindsey who told everyone circa 1980 that the Book of Revelation foretold the Soviet Union will attack Israel with nuclear weapons to bring on the great war of Armegeddon? Let the record show that this never happened, and today the Soviet Union no longer exists. Let the record also show that, even as Lindsey made predictions that would never come true, the impending fall of that empire completely escaped the notice of his prescience. ___ Archer All species are transitional.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
I checked that site and was aware of most of the information.
I still am not convinced of physical resurrection. Mental, yes. For the purposes of His philosophy it may not matter. God is more concerned with our thoughts than with our bodies. Well and good if Jesus kept His body but really what good is His body in heaven. I prefer to think that His body is on earth and He will be raised at end time with the rest of us. RegardsDL
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
GreatestIam writes: You indicated that God did not send out a number of Holy Spirits but in a real sense He does. Think of God casting out a large net called the Holy Spirit.
Does He cast one net, or a number of nets?
God is one. Good. Now what about Jesus? A great prophet, non-eternal, and sometimes wrong in your opinion, is obviously not God. Thus, you do not believe in the Trinity, and are in the wrong thread. Regards,A Christ
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
GreatestIam writes: Well and good if Jesus kept His body but really what good is His body in heaven. I prefer to think that His body is on earth and He will be raised at end time with the rest of us. Why do you say we will all be raised at End Time, and yet that our bodies will do no good in Heaven? Are we all having a 'mental' resurrection?
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5616 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Edited by Charley, : No reason given. Edited by Charley, : Moved response to prophecy thread.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Heaven is a non corporeal realm. Why or even could our bodies be comfortable there. I need not justify the lack of necessity of placing bodies in an inappropriate place. Do we actually visualize Jesus floating somewhere for 2000 years.
I do believe in a mental resurrection. RegardsDL Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
GreatestIam writes: I prefer to think that His body is on earth and He will be raised at end time with the rest of us I need not justify the lack of necessity of placing bodies in an inappropriate place. Do we actually visualize Jesus floating somewhere for 2000 years. I do believe in a mental resurrection. You need not justify anything, but it would be much appreciated if you could explain exactly WHAT PART OF JESUS WILL ARISE with the rest of us if He has already mentally resurrected?
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
As I understand end time predictions, all that have lived and died will arise for the final judgement. There are many souls in heaven at present including Jesus. He like all the rest is to reclaim their physical form upon return. At that time is when we truly see if Jesus sits at the right hand of God.
This is actually a good possibility and probability. Consider.The king of lions is a lion. King of rabbits is a rabbit. The King of men should be men. If I recall correctly, end time prediction speak of electing a God for ourselves. Jesus then becomes a candidate to speak to all the other false prophets that dwell at end time. After the end the earth will find itself with a human political leader and it will also have a human spiritual leader. RegardsDL
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5616 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
As I understand end time predictions, all that have lived and died will arise for the final judgement. That is the second resurrection.
There are many souls in heaven at present including Jesus. He like all the rest is to reclaim their physical form upon return. Jesus already has been raptured in heaven however when Christians die their spirit goes up to behold his glory that he had before the world was. The born again believers in Christ will reclaim their physical form at the rapture event. (The first resurrection).
At that time is when we truly see if Jesus sits at the right hand of God. The marriage supper of the Lamb the first resurrection event in heaven. The raptured will have bodies in heaven at this point in time while on earth the wrath of God will be poured out. Those that refuse the mark of the beast will be martyred and be a part of the first resurrection.
If I recall correctly, end time prediction speak of electing a God for ourselves. Jesus then becomes a candidate to speak to all the other false prophets that dwell at end time. The anti-christ and the beast is end time prophesy and he will speak to all the false prophets that dwell at the end time. Jesus Christ then comes down with the saints and because he is king of kings and lord of lords he will overcome them. kjv Revelation 17:14 Elijah and Enoch have never died thus they are up in heaven too with physical bodies. They are not spirits, Jesus is not just a spirit but he that was dead is alive for evermore, etc... kjv rev 1:18 All the other spirits of believers in heaven will not recieve incorruptible bodies like Christ has until the rapture. This is part of the first resurrection those that are beheaded or martyred on earth after the rapture will complete the first resurrection and rule and reign with Christ for the thousand years. kjv rev 20:4 Its the second resurrection that all that have died that were not in the first resurrection will be raptured. Those not in the book of life will experience a second death as their new bodies are thrown into the lake of fire. This is in respect to the great judgment.
After the end the earth will find itself with a human political leader and it will also have a human spiritual leader. No, When Jesus takes his rule for a thousand years he will rule however those of the first resurrection will rule and reign with Christ. Your confusing the anti-christ who will have a spiritual leader. kjv rev 13:11-12. Those not experiencing the second death (Great White Throne Judgment kjv rev 20:11-15)will see a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. kjv rev 21:1 Edited by Charley, : No reason given. Edited by Charley, : No reason given.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
The fact of Jesus having a body in heaven at end time and perhaps even now will become irrelevent.
You have helped make my case for a world government lead by a man and our religious, spiritual side lead by a man. The man in your case is Jesus. Sounds good to me. RegardsDL
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5616 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
The fact of Jesus having a body in heaven at end time and perhaps even now will become irrelevent. It will become more relevant as the church is raptured out of the end times to those left behind. The anti-christ(not Jesus) and the false prophet (false religious leader) will be overcome by Christ that is Jesus.
You have helped make my case for a world government lead by a man and our religious, spiritual side lead by a man. Yes, the anti-christ and the false prophet.
The man in your case is Jesus. Sounds good to me. Jesus is also the Christ, the Word, Emmanuel, etc... it does sound good, etc... kjv john 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. kjv john 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. kjv 1 john 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. Edited by Charley, : No reason given.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 299 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
You indicate that some will be left behind.
I would suggest that at that time God takes us all in because all souls, if God is God, are Perfect. RegardsDL
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