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Author Topic:   Will The Real God Please Stand Up?
Phat
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Message 136 of 364 (380451)
01-27-2007 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Archer Opteryx
01-27-2007 11:44 AM


Re: And now for the answer
Archer writes:
What if the real gods are An, Enlil, Inanna, Enki, Nanna and Utu after all?
Oh great! A committee...just what we need running the place!

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jar
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Message 137 of 364 (380452)
01-27-2007 12:01 PM
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01-27-2007 11:57 AM


Re: What are the duties of a God?
If GOD exists, She exists regardless of any evidence She does not exist.
If GOD doesn't exist, It doesn't exist regardless of evidence It does exist.
Edited by jar, : No reason given.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 138 of 364 (380456)
01-27-2007 12:05 PM
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01-27-2007 11:59 AM


Re: And now for the answer
Oh great! A committee...just what we need running the place!
You know, Phat, a committee-managed universe does explain a lot...

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Phat
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Message 139 of 364 (380458)
01-27-2007 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by jar
01-27-2007 12:01 PM


Re: What are the duties of a God?
Jar writes:
If GOD exists, She exists regardless of any evidence She does not exist.
Was this a vote of confidence for Sophia?
It is humbling to think that the real Creator of the Universe would stop by and talk with us. It would be as if we humans paid attention to an ant on the sidewalk. (perhaps some Buddhists actually do.)
I know that I am always careful not to step on those baby ducks. I am going to visit my nephew next week, so I have to pay extra care attention to his imaginary friends, for they are very real to him.
jar writes:
If GOD doesn't exist, It doesn't exist regardless of evidence It does exist.
Than why are we having this meeting? Oh yeah..the donuts...I forgot.

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Michael
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Message 140 of 364 (380460)
01-27-2007 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Phat
01-27-2007 11:57 AM


Re: What are the duties of a God?
Or at the other end of the extreme, are we crafting a God of our own imagination that could be our own collective Ego?
Yep. Nothing but a mirror behind Jar's curtain. Nothing extreme, and it should not be a surprise.

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ringo
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Message 141 of 364 (380464)
01-27-2007 12:23 PM
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01-27-2007 11:57 AM


Re: What are the duties of a God?
Phat writes:
Since we are apparently going with the hypothesis that God (the real One, anyway) does not care what people do....
Are we? Then why would we expect Him to show up at the meeting?
Are we unwilling to embrace an embraceable God?
Willingness is not the issue. We have not established yet whether or not God is "embraceable".
Or at the other end of the extreme, are we crafting a God of our own imagination that could be our own collective Ego?
Isn't "collective Ego" an oxymoron? Aren't we trying to sift through all the different egos (and Egos), the different views of the nature of God?
Perhaps I need a cup of water..I need to sit down, I am growing quite faint.
I've been avoiding smilies (mostly) because I don't think they're appropriate for such a solemn proceeding. But if we're taking a break:
That's better.

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Michael
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Message 142 of 364 (380466)
01-27-2007 12:35 PM
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01-22-2007 10:06 AM


The Fifth Candidate
... has just entered the courtroom:
5) The Imagination of Humans

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Phat
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Message 143 of 364 (380468)
01-27-2007 12:39 PM
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01-27-2007 12:35 PM


Re: The Fifth Candidate
Is this candidate qualified to be God? Sounds like a global committee to me.

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ringo
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Message 144 of 364 (380471)
01-27-2007 12:49 PM
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01-27-2007 12:39 PM


Re: The Fifth Candidate
Phat writes:
Is this candidate qualified to be God?
That's what I've been asking from the beginning.

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Michael
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Message 145 of 364 (380476)
01-27-2007 12:56 PM
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01-27-2007 12:39 PM


Re: The Fifth Candidate
Is this candidate qualified to be God?
Absolutely. Candidate 5 is the only likely candidate.
As for a "global committee," I'm sure you realize that the collective imagination of humans with regard to its ability to create mythologies is much more complex than a committee. Do you really want to argue that point?
Edited by Michael, : No reason given.

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Malachi-II
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Message 146 of 364 (380492)
01-27-2007 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by ringo
01-27-2007 11:08 AM


Re: I am late but I am here if you chose to have faith
Ringo writes:
A "Supreme Being" would not produce such a non sequitur, so we can firmly rule out Malachi-II as God.
Damn. My cover's been blown yet again. And I really tried hard to stand up and be counted. I tried it before. Anyone remember the press reports about President Bush talking to God about invading Iraq? For a brief moment I wondered if George called me, but I honestly couldn’t remember getting a call from Dubya. So I went inside my head and asked the Real God if he told George to do those things.
God replied, “Are you joking? You think I’m stupid? I thought you knew that I don’t pander to human beings, no matter how important they think they are. Don’t you know already that I created everything through the power of Love? What kind of Love would go around zapping people because of a little dispute over land or some stupid ideology. I ask you, do you really think that I would encourage anyone to destroy one tiny part of creation? Isn’t it bad enough that people think my loving process of evolution is harmful? Is it my fault they aren’t mature enough to see the big picture? Think a little - make an effort - just because some people say they know me doesn’t mean they do! Let’s face it, a little power on earth in the hands of some puffed up tyrants gives them the idea that I’m in their corner. And of course other people will believe it out of fear for their miserable lives. I tell you, I care more for the helpless life forms struggling to survive and evolve that are treated contemptuously by your so-called progressives . . .”
“Then why don’t you do something to help them," I shouted.
“Progressives! Ha! It’s all about money, sex, fashion and self gratification.”
I shouted again. “Why don’t you help them?”
“Who?”
“The helpless life forms.”
“My boy, what can I do? Your species evolved quicker than most - which was in line with my plan - but the whole idea was for you to think for yourselves, to figure out how best to continue what I started. And, if I do say so myself, it isn’t altogether bad. What?”
“Yeah, not bad.”
“Thank you. Now you want the bad news?”
“If I must.”
“Right. I cannot interfere because I gave humans the power of my Love to continue what I started. If they’d wise up to that fact the glorious planet would be more cooperative. My beautiful Earth is tired of being treated like dirt. If mankind would pause a moment to listen he would hear the planet moaning, ”Enough already.’ My tears will not help you. My concern will not save you from yourselves. I have other fish to fry, as you say.”
“But!”
“No, buts. Get on with the job I gave you. Otherwise get out of the way. Make room for a more intelligent species.”
“Who? . . . . Who?!” Oh, well, I guess He said enough.

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sidelined
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Message 147 of 364 (380496)
01-27-2007 2:17 PM
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01-27-2007 2:00 PM


Re: I am late but I am here if you chose to have faith
Malachi-II
So I went inside my head and asked the Real God if he told George to do those things.
The Real God inside your head eh? That pretty much sums the arguement I think.

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Michael
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Message 148 of 364 (380497)
01-27-2007 2:26 PM
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01-27-2007 12:39 PM


Re: The Fifth Candidate
As court continues, Candidate 5 (human imagination) takes its seat next to Candidate 4. The other candidates at the table seem a little less substantial in the presence of 5.
Candidate 5 briefly considers creating a new candidate (as it has created the other four sitting at the table). Maybe later.

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Malachi-II
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Message 149 of 364 (380509)
01-27-2007 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by sidelined
01-27-2007 2:17 PM


Re: I am late but I am here if you chose to have faith
sidelined writes:
The Real God inside your head eh? That pretty much sums the arguement I think.
Hooray! Does that constitute a majority decision or must we labor the subject ad nauseam?

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Malachi-II
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Message 150 of 364 (380514)
01-27-2007 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by ringo
01-27-2007 11:08 AM


Re: I am late but I am here if you chose to have faith
ringo writes:
A "Supreme Being" would not produce such a non sequitur
Incidentally Ringo, I was pruning a few branches in the Garden of Eden with my secateurs when I spotted Adam and Eve trying to hide. I thought, “Eureka, at last.” Just to make sure I was right, I asked, “Why are you hiding from me?” Adam replied, “Because we are naked.”
I was overjoyed and did a few back flips. Two children displayed signs that my plan was coming to fruition. But imagine my sorrow when the allegory was misunderstood.
Did I not cause to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food - including the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - for a meaningful purpose? Did I not create all things on earth to serve my purpose? Was I not pleased with my work? It is written that my sons feared humans would become as gods if they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Was it I who spoke those words? Pause a moment. Allow your fertile minds to be still. Listen without interference from traditional teaching: Eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge was the dawn of human self-awareness - self-consciousness - evolution of reason and individual awareness. The ability to recognize and classify external forms. The Garden of Eden became a symbol of man’s disgrace, rather than his emergence from ignorance.

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