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iceage 
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Message 40 of 140 (379431)
01-24-2007 3:29 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by johnfolton
01-23-2007 1:34 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
charles writes:
The number and intensity of earthquakes this century are at a level higher than any other time in history.
But the venerable Steve Austin of the Creation Research Institute says
Steve Austin writes:
A number of prophecy teachers say that a pronounced increase in frequency and intensity of earthquakes has occurred in the latter part of the twentieth century, a worldwide trend fulfilling a prophecy made by Jesus. Contrary to these prophecy teachers, no obvious trend is found indicating an abnormal increase in the frequency of large earthquakes during the last half of the twentieth century
....
Graphical plots of global earthquake frequency indicate overall a decreasing frequency of earthquakes through the century.

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Message 47 of 140 (379553)
01-24-2007 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by johnfolton
01-24-2007 3:23 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
charley's source writes:
A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year.
They make absolutely no attempt to quantify the "partial explanation" of the increase in number of seismograph stations. They also did not mention the *increase* in sensitivity of these devices allowing the detection in remote area.
Putting numbers into a chart proves nothing. Can you point to one scientific paper claiming that earthquakes are increasing in frequency?
Associating earthquakes or hurricane's with God's wrath is such incredible primitive thinking. This is the same superstitious thought processes that invoked primitive tribes to sacrifice humans to appease god's anger.
We now know why Earthquakes, Tsunamis and Hurricanes occur and they are completely natural processes.
Is God more angry at people who live in subduction zones or fault lines? Why is God unable to make earthquakes happen in places like Northern Canada or West Africa?
From the wiki on earthquakes....
Earthquake - Wikipedia
wiki writes:
The number of seismic stations has increased from about 350 in 1931 to many thousands today. As a result, many more earthquakes are reported than in the past because of the vast improvement in instrumentation (not because the number of earthquakes has increased).
That is 350 to many thousands and the modern equipment is much more sensitive!
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Message 52 of 140 (379651)
01-24-2007 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by johnfolton
01-24-2007 9:52 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
iceage writes:
Putting numbers into a chart proves nothing. Can you point to one scientific paper claiming that earthquakes are increasing in frequency?
charley writes:
These charts include lesser quakes below 3 so it appears earthquakes greater than 3 would discount bogus earthquakes in an increase of earthquakes.
Charley I do not know what you are trying to say - what is a bogus earthquake? Can you clarify.
Again the increase in the reported earthquakes are explained by the fact that we now have more and better equipment....
USGS writes:
In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more that 8,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by electronic mail, internet and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate earthquakes more rapidly and to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years.
This would explain quite nicely why the larger earthquakes are not increasing because those were easily detected and from very far away.
Why do you and your reference site choose to ignore the obvious? There is an increase in small quakes because we looking for them.
In addition, you did not address why God only chooses to punish those that live in subduction zones or on fault lines.
Earthquakes happen for very understandable reasons!! Why resort to bronze age notions - it shines a very unfavorable light upon your brand of faith.
What about thunder storms are they a sign from god also? There are probably an "increase" in recorded lighting strikes (since we now have better ways of detecting them)

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Message 63 of 140 (379893)
01-25-2007 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by johnfolton
01-25-2007 10:36 AM


Gods fury and Earthquackes
Again you neglect to address why earthquakes occur in subduction zones and fault lines and NOT where the evil doers reside? (Taiwan being a notable exception being inhabited apparently by heathens).
This is very important point as we now know what causes earthquakes and it is not some guy in the sky pulling the earthquake lever every time his subjects are in need of a reminder who is boss.
Associating earthquakes with human political events is so bronze age please join us in the 21 century.
If God wanted to protect Israel i think he has more resources at hand than the favorable support of the US - dontcha think?
Now back to your misuse of the data....
charley writes:
We've had better equipment its not the early 1900's and yet you all say we can not take the evidence seriously.
Again the number and quality of equipment is the cause, the USGS spelled it out for you and you want to avoid it.
I live in an area relatively free from earthquakes. Several years ago an earthquake of 2.5 occurred several miles deep and several miles from my office. I never felt it. Thirty years ago this quake most likely would have gone unnoticed since there would have been no sensing equipment in the area. Our ability to detect earthquakes both remote and weak has increased several fold.
charley writes:
The timing of the California quake interestingly happened within 24 hours in respect to land for Peace.
The timing of the a lot things occur within 24 hours of a California quake. Why California? why not in Washington, why 24 hours - is God so limited in his responses?
charley writes:
Israel is Gods inheritance and its not negotiable, it brings on the wrath of God.
What a deluded notion. You worship a bronze age god. Why is your god so limited in his set of responses. This is the being that created immense scale of the universe and intricate complexity of the microcosm and all he can do is send indirect messages via shaking the earth - pretty small god i say.

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Message 65 of 140 (379952)
01-25-2007 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by johnfolton
01-25-2007 7:02 PM


Re: Gods fury and Earthquackes
Still no comment on why earthquakes center around subduction zones and fault lines eh?
Is god not capable of making an earthquake anywhere he please or not?

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Message 68 of 140 (379975)
01-25-2007 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by johnfolton
01-25-2007 10:53 PM


Re: Gods fury and Earthquakes
charley writes:
If you check the strongs concordance "divers places" can mean distribution or intensity along coastlines.
"divers places" Oh I get it. Places where divers go diving and such - divers places along coastlines.
Wow this throws some light on scripture such as
Mar 1:34 writes:
And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.
I always thought that meant diverse, but now I find out that it really means diver's disease such as decompression sickness.
charley writes:
There is no evidence the plates are presently subducting under the trenches
The west coasts of North and South America are a north-south subduction zone.
Plate Tectonics cause Earthquakes!!!!! Not because of a concentration of sinners or geopolitical events.
charely writes:
I agree but the Word appears to be saying that they will primarily be intensified along the coastlines.
No it does not. As is usually the case the literalist are not literal.
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Message 69 of 140 (379977)
01-25-2007 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Vacate
01-25-2007 11:21 PM


Re: Gods fault lines
Well look at Russia... the godless communist are almost free of earthquakes - maybe they don't have "divers places"

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Message 75 of 140 (380018)
01-26-2007 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Vacate
01-26-2007 4:28 AM


Re: Gods fault lines
However note that quakes occur on the moon (moonquakes?). A couple of theories
  • The astronauts were sinners.
  • The moon is god's proving ground for new earthquake designs.

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    iceage 
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    Message 79 of 140 (380030)
    01-26-2007 6:41 AM
    Reply to: Message 76 by johnfolton
    01-26-2007 6:15 AM


    Re: Gods fault lines
    charley writes:
    Gays put the bullseye on New Orleans, it was bearing directly for full destruction of New Orleans. However when the gays convening on New Orleans fled, Katrina turned a bit otherwise all in New Orleans would of perished.
    Charley you do know that hurricanes have been lashing the south east region long before man was on the scene. Historical artifacts of hurricanes are present everywhere along the southeast coast. It is a statistical probability that New Orleans would be hit sooner or later.
    Concerning these prehistorical hurricanes what was god purpose - target practice?
    How about thunderstorms? do they have spiritual and prophetic significance? sun spots? aurora borealis, floods, sink holes, a tree falling in the forest?

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    iceage 
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    Message 83 of 140 (380043)
    01-26-2007 8:11 AM
    Reply to: Message 81 by johnfolton
    01-26-2007 8:03 AM


    Re: Gods fault lines
    iceage writes:
    Concerning these prehistorical hurricanes what was god purpose - target practice?
    charley writes:
    No God doesn't need target practice. The devil however its said is come to the earth and is quite irate because he knows his time is short, it says Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea. The dragon is wroth with the woman and is making war with the remnant of her seed those which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ
    You avoided the direct question. Hurricanes (as well as earthquakes) have been occurring long before the human habitation of the Caribbean - what was the significance of this?
    charley writes:
    After the biblical flood the topography rose and this is what believed to cause wind patterns of thunderstorms today.
    Who believes this? Topography causes thunderstorms? I don't think so.
    What about moonquakes why do those occur?

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    iceage 
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    Message 87 of 140 (380061)
    01-26-2007 8:54 AM
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    01-26-2007 8:44 AM


    Re: Gods fault lines
    I think that God just put your name on an earthquake somewhere in the world on account of your snide comment. Beware....

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    iceage 
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    Message 105 of 140 (380588)
    01-28-2007 12:00 AM
    Reply to: Message 104 by johnfolton
    01-27-2007 7:52 PM


    Re: Gods fault lines
    charley writes:
    golf a course 100 miles away. I might want to go boating and drive 130 miles. I might decide to take a vacation but too me non of these are examples of the reprobate mind.
    Sure would be.
    Charley you are aware right now there are people starving to death, going cold, suffering because of the lack of a $5 prescription.
    Did not Jesus say that whatever you do to the least of the poor is as if you did it onto him?
    Now stay with me here....
    You go golfing, vacationing, boating and enjoying the good life why the equivalent of the your lord and savior goes hungry and freezes and suffers????
    Maybe that is why he gave you the scripture you quoted.
    Matthew 7:14 Because "strait is the gate, and narrow is the way", which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
    Narrow indeed. I sense some warm weather in your future.
    Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

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    iceage 
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    Message 107 of 140 (380613)
    01-28-2007 3:17 AM
    Reply to: Message 106 by johnfolton
    01-28-2007 3:01 AM


    Re: Servants Heart
    charley writes:
    I have a problem with the prosperity gospel...
    I believe we should cut taxes not raise them. We have plenty of food pantries, George W. Bush is making a difference....
    Which is the whole reason why Kent Hovind made a stand, the money given to the anti-christ bankers through the IRS should be used to feed the poor
    I am not talking about the prosperity gospel, politics or tax evaders.
    I am talking about the very clear, precise and inexorable words of Jesus Christ.
    These are red letter scriptures that commands you to give all you have to the poor. It is really quite literal and clear. You are rich compared to the poor of the world, regardless of how you think you are relatively.
    Health insurance? Isn't that for those of meager faith?
    I mention this because you put so much stock in various scriptures but I suspected you ignore the clear difficult scripture - the passage is straight and narrow.

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    iceage 
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    Message 112 of 140 (380627)
    01-28-2007 4:21 AM
    Reply to: Message 108 by johnfolton
    01-28-2007 3:44 AM


    Re: Servants Heart
    charley writes:
    verses that too me are not what you suppose them to mean
    Oh I have heard all the rationalizations and semantic gymnastics. I prefer the plain literal meaning and not try to distort the direct word of the Lord - since he is not a God of confusion.
    charley writes:
    Meaning that with God its possible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
    Sure, even a serial killer has a chance eh?
    charley writes:
    It also talks in the bible to invest your money so too
    Old testament sure, and it also talks about not mixing fibers, respecting the sabbath and not approaching a women during her period, etc.
    I am suspecting that Jesus's red lettered words carries significance - no? Especially since he repeatedly teached giving all to the poor and practiced austerity.
    Again my point is that you are cherry picking scripture to meet your needs but ignoring the difficult one - the path is straight and narrow.

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    iceage 
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    Message 117 of 140 (380635)
    01-28-2007 5:08 AM
    Reply to: Message 113 by johnfolton
    01-28-2007 4:38 AM


    Re: Servants Heart
    Christ said plainly that if you want to be complete, give all to the poor and follow him and don't look back.
    It is a plain as language as can be.
    charley writes:
    I'm suspecting not all are called to be priests some are actually called to be kings
    Wasn't Christ Kingly? and he had "No Place To Lay His Head".
    charley writes:
    I think your missing the significance since all things are possible with God.
    Basically you saying that you can skirt the hard issues and pursue matters of the flesh, as God will in the end make the impossible possible.
    I think you are minimizing the significance of your own quoted scripture
    KJV writes:
    Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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