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joshua221  Inactive Member |
non-response
Edited by prophex, : No reason given.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
prophyx writes: Because humans can know what is right and what is wrong, there must be an answer for every situation and every question as to what the good is. What is good must be good for every human being or conscience has no use for us and is non-existent. Is music good, bad, or indifferent? Depends upon the circumstances. “Music is good to the melancholy, bad to those who mourn, and neither good nor bad to the deaf” - Spinoza Your point was refuted over 300 years ago in one sentence.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5945 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
prophex writes: So, it is "right" to murder and to steal in a society which accepts or promotes these actions as right and good actions? Tack on the morality of rape to the that. Let's consult the holy scripture and see....
numbers 31 writes: 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. If you are a bible believer than apparently the answer is Yes.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Music like "favorite ice cream" or "favorite color" is subjective.
Surprised at that statement, we are dealing with objectivities here. Subjective: what is better, blue or red, chocolate or vanillaObjective: What is right? What is Justice? How should one live? Why do I exist?
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Context please.
Explain the situation you are quoting from or you have shown me nothing.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Have you given up at the question?
So, it is "right" to murder and to steal in a society which accepts or promotes these actions as right and good actions? I would like to see some evidence perhaps as to why it is acceptable besides "it most certainly is", otherwise it looks as if I have stumped you. You see, there really is a "standard" that exists. We can all see it and decide what is righteous. To deny it's existence is to deny the existence of morality altogether.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Your "right" should be the same as mine as long as we are correct in our judgements and follow exacty the standard of perfection that exists. Unfortunately we are all imperfect and following this perfectly just model is often difficult.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5945 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
prophex writes: Context please. Explain the situation you are quoting from or you have shown me nothing Are you saying that such ethics are contextual and situational dependent? Are there relative situations and context where child rape, genocide and infanticide are OK? So much for absolute morality
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
It may have been anything, if there isn't context then it could be anything. It could be a dream.
Just write a little about the story and what you were actually quoting so we can examine it further.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5945 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
Prophex I am confused I quoted the book of Numbers from the Bible - you are familiar with it right?
The context was war and war booty! The events described were the norm of the day and this is exactly was god the lord (the "Lord is a man of war") commanded - if you believe in literal correctness of the bible, it is inescapable that certain ethical principles are in fact relative and contextual.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2544 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
[line]Objective[/line]Sujective: What is right? What is Justice? How should one live? Why do I exist? What is right?Hmm, a word, in this context, w/o a definition. What I consider to be right is probably not along the same lines of what you consider to be right. or, its a direction. What is Justice?To some, vengeance. You know, taking the law into your own hands and killing that **** who raped your sister. That could also be right. To others, using the court system. again, some more might have a different idea. How should one live?Well, you have some people who think its all about pleasuring yourself as much as possible, others who prefer quality pleasure, still more who think it should be an ascetic life, and to others still it should be about dieing for your country. Why do I exist?most people don't have an answer. A lot think it is to be of service to their god. Me? to go as far as I can. All these questions you deemed objective are subjective. tough luck kiddo. Want to help give back to the world community? Did you know that your computer can help? Join the newest TeamEvC Climate Modelling to help improve climate predictions for a better tomorrow.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Prophex writes: I can prove Gods existence to my own satisfaction.
I can prove God's existence but I understand that I cannot put evidence into God's existence without adequately proving that in the first place.Websters writes: prove-vb proved; proved or proven \pru-ven\; proving 1 : to test by experiment or by a standard 2 : to establish the truth of by argument or evidence 3 : to show to be correct, valid, or genuine 4 : to turn out esp. after trial or test provable \pru-ve-bel\ adj My proof is only within my mind and heart. To attempt a logical construct of my proof for others is not possible unless they know me personally. If they get to know and trust me personally...way beyond the level of relationship that we can have in a classroom or a forum...then I believe that God could be proven (by working through me) You can prove God to Messenjah because you know him so well. You would not be the arbitrator over whether Messenjah accepted the proof or not, however. It would be up to Messenjah to accept or reject the proof as you presented it to him. You could not prove God to anyone in this forum through the use of words, concepts, scriptures, or logic in any way. We do not have enough of a connection with you for God to use you to convey the proof. Some would even challenge my assertion that God exists ...but lets get back to your topic.
Prophex writes: Yes, you have found the source within yourself that proves God to you. (and convicts you of specific absolutes) yet you cannot explain this proof to others through verbal effort. You could only prove it through a direct contact with our individual consciences, which is not easily done on the internet. Evidence for a moral absolute is in the word that describes our human ability to discern right from wrong. Conscience. (
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
kuresu writes: And how do you define far? Far from what? Why do I exist?most people don't have an answer. A lot think it is to be of service to their god. Me? to go as far as I can. Closer to what?
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2544 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
not distance, dope!
we've all travelled hundreds of thousands of hundreds of miles in our lives. you know the phrase "shoot for the stars"? that kind of thing. I'm not content with getting just a Ph.D. But it's deeper than that. I can't really formulate it into words and do it justice as of now.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
prophex
Your "right" should be the same as mine as long as we are correct in our judgements and follow exacty the standard of perfection that exists So what exactly is the standard of perfection and who says so?
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