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Author Topic:   Destruction of Pompei is 1631 year.
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Message 41 of 132 (377414)
01-16-2007 4:38 PM
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01-16-2007 4:08 PM


Re: Why do you believe this stuff?
79, 24th August-Mount Vesuvius erupts burying Pompeii to a depth of 5 to 6 metres and Herculaneum to a depth of 10 metres
1748-First systematic excavations at the hill then known merely as 'Civita' (later to be identified as Pompeii)
1763, 20th August-Inscription excavated proving that the buried town is Pompeii
Page not found | Faculty of Classics
In 18 century it has been solved, that Pompeii were lost in 79 year. However in 19 century there were doubts in such date. Introduction historique de Pompeia, d'Ernest Breton
Today there is all the bases even more to doubt of date offered in 18 century. Those facts, that I have resulted directly show, that date 79 year has no serious substantiations.

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Message 42 of 132 (377416)
01-16-2007 5:11 PM
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01-16-2007 4:36 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
Who it has told?

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Message 43 of 132 (377417)
01-16-2007 5:16 PM
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01-16-2007 4:37 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
Here the basic phrase of all authors writing about destruction Pompeii and Herculaneum.
“Excavation began in the 18th century, when all memory of the existence of Herculaneum had been lost for centuries and the only available reports of it were those that had come down through the authors of antiquity, without any information as to the exact position of the ancient city.”
Sim S p - Mua Online Sim p Viettel, Mobi, Vina gi r - tigtail
After eruption 79 years have forgotten about these cities, at all did not know their site.
Date of eruption is based on messages of antique authors.
The basic assumption which does not call in question today. It is false.
Why these cities are present on maps of 16 -17 centuries?

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elcano
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Message 47 of 132 (377422)
01-16-2007 5:42 PM
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01-16-2007 5:27 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
Pliny in the book does not result any dates. Who the first has told, that Pliny veins in 61-103 years?
(It is 18 century. MASSON, J. Plinius II junioris vita ordine chronologico sic digesta, (...). Amst., Janssonius-Van Waesbergen, 1709)
Edited by elcano, : No reason given.

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elcano
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Message 49 of 132 (377425)
01-16-2007 5:46 PM
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01-16-2007 5:37 PM


Re: Why do you believe this stuff?
Nous voyons cependant reparatre les noms de Pompéi, d'Herculanum et de Stabies dans des ouvrages bien antérieurs leur découverte. On lit dans l'histoire écrite au IXe sicle par le moine Martin qu'en 838, Sicard, prince de Bénévent, campa avec son armée in Pompeio campo qui a Pompeia urbe Campanie nunc deserta nomen accepit. Ds 1488, Niccolo Perotto fait mention de ces villes dans sa Cornucopia ; Sannazar parle de Pompéi dans son Arcadia (Prosa, XII), dont la premire édition parut en 1504 ; dans la carte d'Ambrogio Leone, 1513, on trouve marqué au lieu qu'occupe Portici Herculaneum Oppidum ; Leandro Alberti (Descrizione di tutta l'Italia, 1561) rappelle les villes d'Herculanum, de Pompéi et de Stabies, ensevelies par le Vésuve, indiquant le site o cette époque on croyait qu'elles avaient existé ; dans l'Historia Neapolitana de Giulio Cesare Capaccio, publiée en 1607, on lit un chapitre consacré aux antiquités d'Herculanum ; Camillo Pellegrino (Apparato alle antichit di Capua, 1651) dit, en parlant de la ville d'Herculanum, qu'on pense qu'elle occupait le site actuel de la Torre del Greco ; le dictionnaire géographique de Baudran, 1682, mentionne les villes détruites ; en 1688, Francesco Bolzano publiait l'Antico Ercolano ovvero la Torre del Greco tolta dall' obblio, plaant, il est vrai, Herculanum dans un lieu tout différent du véritable ; enfin en 1689, une fouille faite sur l'emplacement de Pompéi fit trouver quelques fragments de serrures et une pierre o on lisait le mot POMPEI ; seulement on en conclut que l se trouvait une villa de Pompée.
Introduction historique de Pompeia, d'Ernest Breton

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Message 61 of 132 (377557)
01-17-2007 2:13 PM
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01-16-2007 5:44 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
see messag 8
and Giovanni Battista Mascolo
PAGE NOT FOUND | Loyola University Chicago Libraries

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Message 62 of 132 (377561)
01-17-2007 2:22 PM
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01-16-2007 5:46 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
Date on a monument from Torre del Greco is on December, 16th, 1631

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Message 63 of 132 (377563)
01-17-2007 2:30 PM
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01-16-2007 5:59 PM


Re: Translate or don't post
The reference leave please.

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Message 65 of 132 (377567)
01-17-2007 2:35 PM
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01-16-2007 6:00 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
See Message 47
Only 18 century gives us such data.

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Message 66 of 132 (377568)
01-17-2007 2:42 PM
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01-16-2007 6:04 PM


Re: Why do you believe this stuff?
Thanks for translation, but you have translated only the first part. I have resulted the second part in the message 49. (but in French) Please translate this part, differently it will clean.

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Message 68 of 132 (377571)
01-17-2007 2:46 PM
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01-17-2007 2:32 PM


Re: reference?
The text can be cleaned, but to leave as it to find.

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Message 71 of 132 (377576)
01-17-2007 2:58 PM
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01-16-2007 10:28 PM


Re: Still paying attention here
The Neapolitan kingdom in 17 century is not Italian. It belongs to Spain. In what language wrote official documents (laws) we does not know.

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Message 72 of 132 (377578)
01-17-2007 3:07 PM
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01-17-2007 2:46 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
You seriously think, that the monument to victims of eruption of 1631 is a monument on events by an event 1500 years ago.

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elcano
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Message 76 of 132 (377588)
01-17-2007 3:42 PM
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01-17-2007 3:16 PM


Re: Still paying attention here
You speak
"since it's the predominant language used by the inhabitants that is significant here, but whatever language it was, it wasn't Latin, which was a dead language by the 17th century. The language of excavated Pompeii was Latin."
Why monuments of 17 centuries have inscriptions in latin language?
See http://www.vesuvioweb.com/new/article.php3?id_article=216
Epitaffio in Portici and Epitaffio in Torre del Greco

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Message 79 of 132 (377596)
01-17-2007 4:09 PM
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01-17-2007 3:29 PM


Re: Pliny the Younger.
For message 74 see 76
Epitaffio is only in three books in 18 century. Existence Epittafio in 19 century is marked only in two book. With the full text Epitafio I did not see any book of 20 centuries. Even here http://www.vesuvioweb.com/new/article.php3?id_article=202
the photo only the top part of a monument where is absent the cities of Pompeii.

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