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Larni
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Message 1 of 7 (377151)
01-15-2007 6:59 AM


In message Message 44
Larni writes:
Why do believers always give god based motivations to people who do not subscribe to belief in gods? I don't have a god shaped hole in my head that needs filling.
scottness writes:
Because we all have a theological position. It is the foundation for our assumptions. Some are just more logical than others.
Now, I infer from scottnesss reply that he means that everyone alive today must make take a theological stance before we can hold any assumptions about the world.
Scottness appears to hold the position that we must have a god shape hole in our head that we must fill somehow.
If I was a psychologist (which I am) I would reframe this to say that our beliefs about the nature of the world cannot form in our heads untill we come to terms with the issue of the divine and to come to an informed theological position.
I would argue that this is not required and that we can form assumptions about the world, self and others without any theological position.
A theological position is only required by somebody who has been informed about theology. From here the individual tests the god hypothesis.
Being introduced to this hypothesis is not required for an approriate development of assumptions and beliefs about the world. Once the god hypothesis is introduced obviously it cannot help but influence the individual, but it is not required.
So my question is: do we have a god shaped hole in our head that must be filled before we can make assumptions about the world.
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Message 2 of 7 (377326)
01-16-2007 8:02 AM
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01-15-2007 6:59 AM


Faith and Belief is certainly where this should go. At the moment however it seems a little bit thin. Could you maybe expand your OP and develop your position a bit more? As well as contending you might provide some supporting evidence or argumentation for your position.
TTFN,
WK

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Message 3 of 7 (377329)
01-16-2007 9:10 AM
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Another thing...
It might be a good idea to link to the message Message 44 and to clarify who 'we' are. In this case it seems to me to be 'believers', though you seem to be saying it means all of us. If so, you might want to present your reasons for thinking Rob means all of us, rather than just believers.

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Larni
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Message 4 of 7 (377371)
01-16-2007 1:48 PM
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Re: Another thing...
I had another bash, what do you think?

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Message 6 of 7 (377401)
01-16-2007 3:37 PM
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01-15-2007 6:59 AM


So my question is: do we have a god shaped hole in our head that must be filled before we can make assumptions about the world.
Maybe there is... maybe that's what's got all those Creos clinging to their absurd ideas so unwilling to listen to logical reason. Perhaps there is some need by them to believe in something. Though, I think in this case, God would be the nail in the tire: so unnecesarry at first, but once it's there, you can't pull it out without letting out all the air. Does this mean that Creos then are all just deflating tires?
Someone call Ford, I think we've got a recall on our hands...
J0N

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iceage 
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Message 7 of 7 (377450)
01-16-2007 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Larni
01-15-2007 6:59 AM


Fillings
scottness writes:
Now, I infer from scottnesss reply that he means that everyone alive today must make take a theological stance before we can hold any assumptions about the world.
Beware! Scottness is fast and loose with definitions. I suspect the phase "theological stance" will become a source of difficulty.
Larni writes:
do we have a god shaped hole in our head that must be filled before we can make assumptions about the world.
I love the term "God shaped Hole". I looked it up and it appears that it was coined by Blaise Pascal.
I suspect the meaning here is that we all have an innate desire to know God and want to fill the void. Why one has to fill this void before making any assumptions about the world is crazy. I know toddlers make plenty of assumptions about the world and they have not considered any theological issues yet - same with developmentally disabled people.
As far as every one having a "God Shaped Hole". I suspect this is not even true for at least two reasons (probably more if I think about):
  • If it is true, then there are a lot of different shaped holes out there! A great number of very sincere people, earnestly search and find a great variety of different religious fillings to fill this hole. There does not seem to be any consistency. One would think that if there is one God, and this being placed holes in our heads, then these holes would be roughly the same shape. No proof of that, quite the opposite.
  • While personally I have always had a desire to understand origins, creation and the divine, conversely, I have known many many people who could care less, and the weekend weather report weighs more on their minds than anything.
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