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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
That they do not work effectively in DATING ROCKS! Then what, pray tell, are these methods used to date? The hard things people dig out of the ground are very often known as "rocks" in English, and are the things mentioned in those links! What are you on about? Edited by Coragyps, : typo
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Correlation? Do you realize how ambiguous that claim is? To the contrary; the mathematical tests for correlation are quite unambiguous. They tell you exactly how unlikely the probability of achieving that degree of correlation totally at random would be. What's your statistics background?
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Casey Powell  Inactive Member |
In order for Radiometric dating to be of any use, the following four criteria must be met:
1. The decay constant and the abundance of K40 must be known accurately. 2. There must have been no incorporation of Ar40 into the mineral at the time of crystallization or a leak of Ar40 from the mineral following crystallization. 3. The system must have remained closed for both K40 and Ar40 since the time of crystallization. 4. The relationship between the data obtained and a specific event must be known. Guess what....not here, not ever!
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Casey Powell  Inactive Member |
You don't give a single objective standard of proof so your question is irrelevant here.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5944 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
jf writes: Correlation? Do you realize how ambiguous that claim is? LOL, did Stephen Colbert just sign in to EVC. JF bless us with your wisdom. Are you reasoning from the gut? Bah... Correlations have a well-known reality bias. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
In order for Radiometric dating to be of any use, the following four criteria must be met:
Just to be clear, there are several different types of radiometric dating. Potassium/Argon is just one of them....K40 .... ...Ar40 ... Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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Casey Powell  Inactive Member |
They aren't effective in dating anything!
They are effective in that we can measure a rock's mass, its volume, its colour, the minerals in it, their size and the way they are arranged. We can crush the rock and measure its chemical composition and the radioactive elements it contains. But we do not have an instrument that directly measures age.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
You've sort of mentioned potassium-argon dating here. Would you like to learn a little about uranium-lead, uranium-thorium, thorium-lead, samarium-neodymium, rubidium-strontium, or lutetium-hafnium dating, too? Or one of the other methods that all the correlations spoken of here are built on?
We can learn you up if you'd like.....
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Casey Powell  Inactive Member |
Yes there are a few. Elephant hurl as far as I'm concerned though.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You don't give a single objective standard of proof so your question is irrelevant here. No, I did. The mathematical standards of correlative analysis are the objective standard of proof. How wasn't that clear from my post? I couldn't possibly have been clearer.
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Casey Powell  Inactive Member |
Do the words, elephant hurl mean anything to you?
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Casey Powell  Inactive Member |
Lets see.
The elephant jumped through a really big hoop. Right, but how big was the hoop? It was really big! Thats about what your standard looks like here. So how do you apply your standard is the question. Examples, and specifics. Edited by JesusFighter, : No reason given.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
But we do not have an instrument that directly measures age. We don't have an instrument that "directly measures" silicon, or oxygen, or iron in a rock either. That hardly keeps some smart people from figuring out ways to measure them. Of course there's no age-meter for a rock. It's nice, though, that there are direct counts of age for trees, or lake bottoms, or glaciers. All of those lead to an earth way over the 6000 years YEC's like.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Thats about what your standard looks like here. See, this is why I asked about your statistics background. If I told you the elephant jumped through a Gauge 10 hoop, and you ask how big the hoop was, it's because you're ignorant of circus props. The size is Gauge 10, like I told you. If you don't know how big that is in feet, or whatever, you need to look up how circus props are sized. (It's a made-up example, by the way.) Well, you're ignorant of mathematics. So when I tell you that correlation isn't ambiguous, that the standards are clearly defined, you need to open a math textbook and learn some statistics, not simply assert that I haven't said anything. Look, try thinking a little longer before you post. And try to understand that there are things you don't know, like statistics. Asserting that correlation is arbitrary is just nonsense based on ignorance.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Yes there are a few. Elephant hurl as far as I'm concerned though.
And you base this on? Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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