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Author Topic:   A Miracle by Definition
Archer Opteryx
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Message 17 of 38 (372448)
12-27-2006 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2006 1:48 PM


Re: Miracles
NJ:
Miracles have a few purposes. They are for edification, and they are the product of deep faith. We are asked to believe that God can do all things. Often times we don't believe that, or if we claim to, sometimes its just lip service. But Jesus also said that we have not because we ask not
I would say that miracles are wonderful gifts on those He bestows upon. However, I could go the rest of my life without seeing one miracle and still have a deep relationship with the Father. At the same time, we shouldn't speak disparagingly about them either.
So how do you feel about the miracle of Mohammed's Night Journey, in which he ascended into heaven from Mount Moriah in Jerusalem, had a personal encounter with Jesus, Moses, and Abraham, and learned the rules of Muslim prayer?
Do you consider it a wonderful gift bestowed upon Mohammed? Are you edified by it? Do you consider it the product of deep faith? Does it lead you to believe God can do all things? Or do you just give the possibility lip service? Do you speak disparagingly of it?
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Archer Opteryx
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Message 21 of 38 (372505)
12-28-2006 5:05 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2006 3:07 PM


Re: Miracles
I don't know much about it. I know that Mohammed was supposed to have had some sort of revelation while in Jerusalem, but aside from that, I don't know the particulars of the story. If you give me a chapter and verse I can crack open my Qur'an and check it out.
Any search portal:
mohammed night journey
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Archer Opteryx
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From: East Asia
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Message 24 of 38 (372559)
12-28-2006 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Jon
12-28-2006 5:53 AM


Occam's Barber Shop
Jon:
We cannot discredit God until we find a different explanation.
You mean 'rule out a miracle' not 'discredit God.'
I know the two ideas are linked in the minds of some people. But they are far from being the same thing.
At the same time, all explanations are equally valid which explain the event.
No, they are not.
Occam's razor, remember. It really works.
We can explain Kent Hovind's tax problems any number of ways. Among some of the explanations: (1) Hovind and his wife evaded taxes; (2) Hovind and his wife are citizens of an invisible country apart from the United States and thus are not obliged to obey US laws even though they live and work inside US borders; (3) Hovind and his wife actually paid their taxes in full, but invisible space unicorns from the planet Zembar vacuumed all the money out of government accounts and falsified all the records to make it appear the Hovinds were up to no good, then programmed IRS agents to remember events that never took place and programmed the Hovinds to forget all the taxes they really paid and say outrageous things in their own defense, just so the unicorns could enjoy a good laugh about the whole gag at the next Interplanetar Invisible Space Unicorn Association convention on a secret asteroid in the Crab Nebula.
Are all these explanations of the event equally valid? No.
Your assertion is manifestly false for additional reasons if you mean to discuss scientific validity. To possess scientific validity an explanation has to be supported by observable data that can be tested.
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : supplied official name of convention.

Archer
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