Intelligent design. Philosophy of ignorance.

And yet we see evidence of "memes" in other animals:
Blue Planet Biomes - Japanese Macaque

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Scientists have begun to rethink their ideas on culture within monkey society in a large part because of the Japanese macaques. It has been observed that the macaques invent new behaviors and pass them on by immitation. In 1963 a young female named Mukubili waded into a hot spring in the Nagano Mountains to retrieve some soybeans that had been thrown in by the keepers. She liked the warmth and soon other young monkeys joined her. At first the behavior caught on only with the young macaques and their mothers. Over the years the rest of the troop took up the behavior, which now finds shelter in the 109 F (43 C) hot springs to escape the winter cold. Young monkeys have also learned how to roll snowballs, which doesn't have any survival purpose, but with which they have a lot of fun, much like human children.

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Behavior passed on from generation to generation, behavior that has a survival benefit (except maybe the snowballs), but is not part of the genetic inheritance: meme. Then we are de facto ignorant of the evidence, and thus any concept based on ignorance is as good as another eh?The difference is that one makes predictions for what fills the gap and then looks for them, the other finds comfort in preserving ignorance. Take your pick.I have no problem with people finding comfort in faith based concepts as long as they (1) don't stop science from finding answers, and (2) don't ignore evidence that contradicts the concepts.When you ignore contradictory evidence you have crossed the line from faith to delusion.Enjoy.

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Please demonstrate one place where someone has said that there is a physical replicator here - direct from Dawkins would be a good start .... or have you created a straw man in your mind that bears no relation to reality? Certainly that is what your whole argument seems to be based on.Memes are ideas, ideas are transmitted. Birds do it, bees do it, many undereducated animals do it. The japanese macaque previously mentioned were shown to do it. Dolphins, elephants and whales do it. You can observe it in humans and other animals, you can document it and measure how it spreads within a population, and how it changes over time; you can make working hypothesis on how this happens, make predictions from those hypothesis and test them: anything you can quantify, measure, hypothesis, predict and test is scientific. Show me how to observe, document and measure ID and see how it changes over time; show me what working hypothesis have been developed with the predictions based on those hypothesis and the tests for validity that have occurred: demonstrate that you can quantify, measure, hypothesis, predict and test ID.Personally I think the idea "meme" is just a cute shorthand way of saying that ideas can travel, mutate, grow in popularity and die out in popularity in a way similar to gene propogation within populations. It's not really necessary though, as we can equally talk about ideas.Just like ID is a cute shorthand for god-did-it.Enjoy.

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(1) this does not even address the question asked -- I'll take that as evidence that such does not exist and that your position therefore IS a straw man of your own making unrelated to reality.(2) this is a restatement of your position and has not added anything new to the debate, as such it is a waste of bandwidth, and(3) your opinion is not a guideline for what is scientific, nor is your understanding of science. They do. Ideas function very well, they enable us to understand and thus give us power to manipulate our world. You could see if an intelligent organism, say a japanese macaque, comes up with a novel idea, say washing food in water, and then observe whether this idea spreads in the population. Gosh, it did! Compare that spread to another population of macaques to see if they spontaneously generate the idea as well. Nope.How did it happen that the {idea\meme} was transmitted from one intelligent organism to another within a population but not outside that population? No comment needed.Enjoy.

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Anyone want to discuss the topic {Intelligent design. Philosophy of ignorance}?Or have we concluded that ID is based on ignorance and the maintenance of ignorance and logical fallacy in order to fill the gaps with some hypothetical designer instead of "we don't know"?That seems to be the summary position so far.Enjoy.

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