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Orion
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Message 16 of 19 (36887)
04-13-2003 1:44 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by drummachine
04-12-2003 9:40 PM


Israel was expecting the Messiah to come as King. But they didn't understand the prophecies that the Messiah would first come and give his life. The purpose of the first coming was to free man from sin. The eternal reign of the Messiah is a future prophecy to be fulfilled. Israel has been percecuted because of the wickedness of man.
Couple of points here...
The word 'Messiah' translates to "anointed one", and generally refers to kings. Note the plural. There are lots of Messiahs within the OT. For example, the OT refers to Cyrus of Persia as an 'anointed one' who delivered the Hebrews from exile at the hands of the Babylonians.
Isaiah 45:1 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him
Additional passages within the OT suggest that Messiahs would be human beings, as opposed to god-men.
Judaism suggests that man can achieve salvation through his own efforts (works) without the intervention of the 'sacrifice' of a proxy, and that even non-Jews are eligible for salvation.

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Andya Primanda
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Message 17 of 19 (36891)
04-13-2003 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Orion
04-13-2003 1:44 AM


Judaism and Islam
quote:
Judaism suggests that man can achieve salvation through his own efforts (works) without the intervention of the 'sacrifice' of a proxy, and that even non-Jews are eligible for salvation.
Islam showed the same path to salvation: by one's own works. I think this is better than saying 'all of us are doomed and if you don't join us, you're toast'.

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John
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Message 18 of 19 (36892)
04-13-2003 7:45 AM
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04-13-2003 1:44 AM


quote:
Judaism suggests that man can achieve salvation through his own efforts (works) without the intervention of the 'sacrifice' of a proxy, and that even non-Jews are eligible for salvation.
I am curious as to what you base this upon.
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Orion
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Message 19 of 19 (36908)
04-13-2003 3:17 PM
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04-13-2003 7:45 AM


Me: Judaism suggests that man can achieve salvation through his own efforts (works) without the intervention of the 'sacrifice' of a proxy, and that even non-Jews are eligible for salvation.
You: I am curious as to what you base this upon.
Jewish scripture describes three methods of atonement:
  • Sin sacrifice
  • Prayer
  • Restitution
The sin sacrifice (of an animal) could only be used to atone for unintentional transgressions (see Numbers 15:27-31), and even this was eventually done away with (see Hosea 3:4-5) to be replaced by prayer (see Hosea 14:2).
According to Judaism, non-Jews can obtain salvation by adhering to the Noachide Laws...
  • Prohibition on idolatry.
  • Prohibition on blasphemy and cursing the Name of G-d.
  • Prohibition on murder.
  • Prohibition on robbery and theft.
  • Prohibition on immorality and forbidden sexual relations.
  • Prohibition on removing and eating a limb from a live animal.
  • Requirement to establish a justice system and courts of law to enforce the other 6 laws.
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