iano writes:
If you see a bird flying by your window now and there is nobody else around to see it then you know it flew by yet have no proof it did.
ohnhai writes:
But we have all seen birds. We have countless data on the 'fact' that birds exist. many of us have even seen these 'birds' fly past windows. It is no hardship to believe you when you claim to have seen one fly past your window.
This is not a question of belief. For sure people may well believe you. You cannot produce that occasion in such a way that anyone else can know it did however - you have no empirical proof to present to them. You had no camera, no one was there with you. Does the fact that there is no proof and that you are the sole witness in any way demolish the fact that you know that a bird flew by your window at that time?
And if it was a little dragon that flew by your window then you would know that too. I don't mean in a flash - but one who swooped around, landed on your window sill knocked and waved to you. You might rub your eyes and look again. There he is. Now you sure feel normal enough - but put it down to temporary delusion. But the next day he comes again. Now your in trouble. "I must be mad" you say to yourself.
But then you meet lots of other people who say the same thing. They describe the dragon and its the same one as you saw. Would you still think your deluded?
Not surprising when you clearly don’t want to admit the illogic of your own belief as a 1. Which is strange as you obviously accept religion IS faith and belief
Seeing as we may have cleared up the idea that it is necessary to have 'hard' (of the demonstrable kind) evidence of something in order to know it, what then is this illogic?
The point being you have just admitted that you have no hard data regarding the existence of god and while you don’t believe this poses a problem in being a 1 you use the lack of hard data in the other direction as a proof of the illogic of being a 7. You then claim 1 and 7s are not on equal footing
I have hard data. But it is like your flying bird data. Personal to you - not available to anyone else. Logically I can have it (and lets not loose sight of the fact that the OP only looks at it from a logical perspective). A 7 cannot, logically, have hard data, personal or otherwise. Thus asymmetry of position, logically
Edited by iano, : No reason given.