Politcally Correct Christ

I think it's just that iano and I happen to like Robin. For one thing he doesn't attack us as everyone else here does, which he's explained as his sympathy for the underdog. He talks to us as intelligent human beings. He's also got this remarkable realism, which I don't see in most of the other evos here.But this too is a bad reason to focus on him for conversion and iano and I should confess to this. God can convert any of the obnoxious people here as well as He can convert Robin, so we're just acting fleshly in our liking of him. In fact converting a reasonable good guy is often harder than converting an out and out God-hater like, say, Brian.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I think that's a little unfair, and inacurate
Can you hate something you don't believe exists?
(apologies If I've misinterpreted your feelings here brian)from a personal point of view I do not 'hate' God because I do not know one way or the other if he exists. What I do hate (even though i feel this is too strong a word), is the effect that biblical literalism has on people. and the effect those people who are biblical literalists have on other people.

Actually, I'm quite happy.

When I talk to the ducks, I expect quackery from them.
When I talk to intelligent human beings, I expect something else. So there's hope for you yet?

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Er...to my own reckoning you yourself have received a fair amount of my air-time. Much more than many posters here with whom I have engaged in similar fashion. Didn't I even engage in a one-on-one (with an assist from Purple Youko) at one point? Not even Robin has received that intensity of input.(I won't even talk about the exposure you had on another site)Post in haste - repent at leisure

apologies then, the tone of your posts can sometimes be... well... a little hopeless.hard judge the written word.

Well you do tend to respond to my questions.. up to a point. But I have noticed you popping up in threads making comments unrelated to the topic, apparently, simply to comment on RR's beliefs/lack of not sure what exactly you're on about here, but don't be shy, if you want to say something say it, snide remarks don't do much for anyone...Abe:
to explain, Iano and I first 'met' on a motorcycle owners forum, where he was evangelising and recieved a lot of flack for it. similar discussions began between those of us who were more... concerned with such matters.
But I'm not sure what you mean by 'exposure' please explain.Edited by Creavolution, : No reason given.

Good points. Whilst I have gotten cross with him at times I can't remember him ever having done the same. He is a bit of an oasis in stormy seas . And he's not a wriggler neither.

indeed and IIRC we reached a point where you point blank refused to engage the questions I was asking.

Thanks for confirming the level of input you have received (IIRC it was a 300 poster and even continued onto another thread). Now (by your definition), you poor, weak little conversion prospect what was it you wanted answered?

Well, I'm not swooning with rapturous joy at the wonder of the universe or embracing with robust enthusiasm all sorts of delightful interactive adventures, but I'm fairly happy.Happiness is a parochial, practical affair. I've got most of my work down for the week, I'll be off work tomorrow early, I've got the weekend to look forward to, etc. That's all one needs to be happy.

300 post maybe.. not many straight answers, plenty of dodging.
more quantity than quality. feel better now? feel big and clever?
good...I'd appreciate it if you'd clarify your reference to my 'exposure' on 'another site'

Well, if the gunman is as honest as you would lead us to believe we should take his word that he will kill you. You need to rephrase this. What you mean is that it is imossible for YOU to follow the commandment. But it it fairly easy for many other to do so, whether they are Chritian or not. Again though you keep coming back to placing a condition on salvation, and you seem to have a problem seeing this. If the 'shit' experience forces you to change your habits and follow something that you wouldnt have if the 'shit' experience never happened, then you have to follow certain conditions to alter your path. It doesn't matter how you put it, Jesus' love is conditonal, if it wasn't He would just save everyone, but he doesn't he requires YOU to do something in return for salvation, He puts a condition on your salvation. And the law has been created by Jesus. Jesus has set the conditions for salvation, I don't know how you can fail to see this. There are many more attractive, and believable options than Him. Christianity is truly absurd, and the worst thing about it is that the Bible itself highlights just how luducrous Christianity is. The ripping out of context of every prophecy in the Hebrew Bible by the christians who wrote the NT is evidence that Jesus is a nobody. They tried too hard ot make Jesus into something He clearly wasn't. When you are saved from thr myth of Chrsit you can read the Bible clearly, and it is as plain as the nose on your face that jesus was no messiah.BTW, when you speak about my former LORD, please use a capital for Him, His and He You can go to the burny fire for being disrespectful to the big man. Just as well I am a good person who knows I am good! I don't think you were ever outside at all Ian. it isn;t possible to be an ex-atheist.I saw plenty that I couldn't stomach when I was a Christian. The hypocrisy was revolting. The amateur knowledge of Bible by the clergy, the lavish churches and chapels dripping in treasures whilst the congregations in some countries were starving to death (and still are), the scavenging of the clergy on the recently bereaved relatives, and the in fighting between denominations was bewildering. There's a lot more but I think you can get the picture. And we are entitled to refuse a gift without being splatted aren't we?Brian.

The point - in the context of your post which sat in judgement both of me (as a predator) and Robin (as a mark) - is that you have received a large quantity of exposure to myself as well. In terms of words written (for the posts between Robin and myself are fairly short) you received and gave more. In terms of depth of argument you most certainly recieved and gave more. Not at all. It doesn't even register a heartbeat. But when someone launches an attack like you did then I feel obliged both to defend myself and defend someone I like. This is not to say I do not like you - I do. But an attack requires defense (to my mind) And the defence is that, all things considered, you have sat up there as a mark yourself and so much of what you say occurred in Robins case must have occurred in your own. The name of the site is foc-u.co.uk. But you know that. It is a bikers website. There were a number of God-threads instigated by me on that site (to the peanut gallery: can you imagine how thick ones skin becomes - you shower of pussies) and you partook in those debates. Your name then was Mook.Then you followed me here The prey following the predator. How quaint Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

End of thread so I'll get this one in quick - I see an admin in the area.The gift is not being splatted. How one can refuse a gift unto not being splatted without being splatted I cannot fathom.And if admin is feeling generous he will leave things open so I can abe a response. There are few other participants of this thread aroundEdited by iano, : No reason given.