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JavaMan
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Message 290 of 300 (346372)
09-04-2006 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
06-20-2006 12:53 PM


Does anyone have an absolute right to abortion?
The problem here is that you still think of abortion as the murder of a fetus. It's not.
It's the eviction of a fetus. The fact that the fetus can't survive anywhere but that one woman's womb is not her fault, or our fault. It's the fetus's fault for being there, as far as I'm concerned. It's a slight tragedy that the fetus might not have intended to be there, but there it is, and it's certainly taking actions that put the health of the mother in danger.
If she doesn't want it there, it has to go. End of story. She has an absolute right to determine what human beings are allowed to reside in her uterus, at any time.
Crashfrog, this argument is just as silly and unrealistic as the Right's argument against abortion. No one has an absolute right to do anything to another human being. That's what we have laws for - to protect the powerless against the powerful.
Unless a woman was raped, she's responsible for the foetus being there. If she chooses to have an abortion, then she's also responsible for terminating the life of a potential human being. That's the reality facing women who have an abortion. And that's why it's a difficult thing for most women to do, even when it's necessary. The argument you're using just trivialises the issue.
The leading cause of death, worldwide, for women ages 13-18 is pregnancy. You may have heard the term "complications from pregnancy", but that's a misnomer. The stresses that a developing fetus places on a mother's body simply kill the mother, sometimes.
Hmmm. This is the one issue that brings out the religious hysteric in you, isn't it Crashfrog? Generally I'm with you in most arguments (especially your enjoyable spats with Holmes), but here I think you're accepting feminist rhetoric too unquestioningly.

'I can't even fit all my wife's clothes into a suitcase for travelling. So you want me to believe we're going to put all of the planets and stars and everything into a sandwich bag?' - q3psycho on the Big Bang

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JavaMan
Member (Idle past 2350 days)
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From: York, England
Joined: 08-05-2005


Message 294 of 300 (346407)
09-04-2006 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by nator
09-04-2006 10:07 AM


Re: Does anyone have an absolute right to abortion?
The leading cause of death for women worldwide is due to pregnancy and childbirth.
Yes, I know. And I think the danger that illegal abortions pose to women's health is enough of a justification, on its own, for providing legal access to abortion.
The facts that Crash posted are not "feminist rhetoric".
Rhetoric is a way of getting us to accept a position by appealing to our emotions rather than our reason. Given the fact that pregnancy and childbirth are the leading cause of death for women worldwide, there is no logical reason why we need to accept the conclusion that women have an absolute right to do anything they like with a fetus.
The apparent appeal to fact is actually an appeal to emotion.

'I can't even fit all my wife's clothes into a suitcase for travelling. So you want me to believe we're going to put all of the planets and stars and everything into a sandwich bag?' - q3psycho on the Big Bang

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