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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
There might be a profundity in there somewhere but for the life of me..
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
robinrohan writes: Who are you addressing? Oops. I was addressing iano forehandedly and you backhandedly. Apparently, the forehand doesn't know what the backhand is doing. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Curious. You defend him in opposite measure.
Night Robin. She'll be back shortly. TTFN
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Sure, Jesus' contemporaries knew more about their own culture and traditions than we do. But we're talking about Jesus' philosophy. Screw the concepts. A philosophy generally contains concepts. The concepts provide the reasons for the practices.
But your posts and robin's posts don't ring true (to me and to some others around here) as coming from people who love themselves. I can't speak for iano but loving myself comes very easily to me. I've always loved myself, and I always will. But it's not a merit, nor is it something I "learned." It just came naturally. The Biblical writers are right about that.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
robinrohan writes: A philosophy generally contains concepts. The concepts provide the reasons for the practices. But the concepts don't take precedence over the practices.iano likes to confuse himself with concepts and pretend the practices are impractical. I can't speak for iano but loving myself comes very easily to me. I've always loved myself, and I always will. As I said, that's not the way you come across. (Maybe you just need more smilies.)
But it's not a merit, nor is it something I "learned." Then maybe you should "learn" it. It seems to me you're doing it wrong. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I can't speak for iano but loving myself comes very easily to me. I've always loved myself, and I always will. But it's not a merit, nor is it something I "learned." It just came naturally. The Biblical writers are right about that. Self-love is like falling off a log for us all. If you cannot find one instance of Jesus loving himself (hint: "it's like looking for a needle in a stack of needles") how much would you knock off your "he was deluded" score. 10? 20?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
As I said, that's not the way you come across. I don't see why. One problem I've noticed, however, is that some people--not myself, of course--love themselves a bit too much, which makes them unlovable to others. One must be judicious in one's self-love.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
If you cannot find one instance of Jesus loving himself (hint: "it's like looking for a needle in a stack of needles") how much would you knock off your "he was deluded" score. 10? 20? "And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head." Due to his self-love, Jesus wanted a bed for the night. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You've read CS's conundrum I'm sure. So which of his options do you plump for? Insane/liar/truth ...or other
He was deluded. That's what makes the story so tragic. So out of CS Lewis' choices you go for insane. Well, I admit, claiming to be Yahweh God among the Jews would be rather crazy unless it were true, especially since it got Him killed. And how do you account for the apparent sanity and realism of so many who follow Him? You quote some of them with appreciation, such as Samuel Johnson, Jonathan Edwards, William Law, Pascal. And in fact all of these believed in the whole supernatural package. How do you account for the duration of His influence if He was deluded -- people believing in Him by growing millions in every generation for the last 2000 years, and even in our modern times in which the majority have rejected the very idea of the supernatural? How do you account for the millions who have been and still are persecuted and even killed for believing him Him in Asia and Africa and the Middle East, refusing to repudiate their faith even for the sake of saving their lives? I guess a sizeable portion of the world is deluded. Well, that's OK, He told us that's how we would be viewed. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2541 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
was hitler deluded?
how many people followed hitler? how many people still agree with hitler? one need not be sane to have followers.one can be insane and even have multitudes of followers. surely you do not suggest that mohammed was sane? (knowing your opinion of muslims)(okay, that's almost, if not, a cheap shot at them, so just note--I don't have a problem with the religion, just some certain people in charge of a few certain countries) All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I always forget about the ingenuity of the unbelievers.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 865 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
I always forget about the ingenuity of the unbelievers. Yeah, and I always remember the disingenuity of the fundies (aka Christian Taliban). Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. Sir Francis Bacon
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
how many people still agree with hitler? NOt many. Hitler is not a very good example. ABE: The Buddha would be better. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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