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nator
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Message 36 of 119 (341789)
08-20-2006 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Hyroglyphx
08-20-2006 12:54 AM


Re: Global Warming
quote:
Aside from which, Siberia was once a desert. That seems highly unlikely.
Much of Siberia is a desert.
Like, it's a desert now.

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Message 64 of 119 (342853)
08-23-2006 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Silent H
08-23-2006 6:26 AM


Re: setting the record straight
quote:
By the way in future replies I will refer to what we are discussing as CC rather than GW. Climate Change is more accurate, and encompasses the increase in Earth's average temp.
You are aware that the widespread use of the term "climate change" instead of "global warming" originates with the Republican party and their hired ace spin doctor, Frank Luntz, don't you?

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nator
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Message 68 of 119 (342929)
08-24-2006 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Silent H
08-24-2006 4:18 AM


Re: setting the record straight
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Is there a reason I should care?
Luntz is the guy who designed all of those completely fake, staged town hall meetings for the Bush campaign, renamed the estate tax the "death tax", changed privatized social security to "personalized" social security, etc.
He's a spin doctor, holmes. It's his job to shape the words that are used in order to manipulate how you feel about them.
He claims that "global warming" and "climate change" mean the same thing, but they do not.
quote:
In fact, I don't see how that helps them.
It helps them because "global warming" sounds scary and "climate change" sounds innocuous, and it isn't a lie even though it is less specific.
Perfect spin.
Here's his wiki page.
An excerpt:
Although Luntz later tried to distance himself from the Bush administration policy, it was his idea to discredit the idea of global warming science to keep the issue from influencing voters in the 2000 and 2004 US presidential elections. Luntz has since said that he is not responsible for what the administration has done since that time. Though he now accepts the scientific consensus that there is man-made global warming, he maintains that the science was in fact incomplete, and his recommendation sound, at the time he made it.
A particularly disturbing Frontline interview
And a completely hilarious and very pointed interview with Samantha Bee on The Daily Show.
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nator
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Message 76 of 119 (343118)
08-24-2006 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by crashfrog
08-24-2006 11:45 AM


Re: setting the record straight
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Well, if that's what you intend to do, I wish you'd stop using the term "man" to refer to all humanity. Even at the nadir of understanding about how gender assumptions load terms, the use of "man" never actually meant "all humanity".
Talk to jar and Faith.
They both think that it did, and does still.
I don't get it.

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Message 77 of 119 (343123)
08-24-2006 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Silent H
08-24-2006 3:25 PM


Re: to schraf on CC
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I should have known the idea that Luntz came up with CC was complete bullshit.
My mistake, I should have been more specific.
I wrote:
You are aware that the widespread use of the term "climate change" instead of "global warming" originates with the Republican party and their hired ace spin doctor, Frank Luntz, don't you?
I should have written:
You are aware that the widespread use among politicians and major media outlets of the term "climate change" instead of "global warming" originates with the Republican party and their hired ace spin doctor, Frank Luntz, don't you?
I never meant to claim nor imply that Luntz originated the term.
quote:
Why do I think that Luntz's contribution was more about promoting himself as a coiner, or possibly just explaining to Bush how to use it as spin, rather than being the inventor and prolificator of the term?
I think the second is correct.

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