On Judging Others

I'm fairly certain what I was arguing against in the other thread was an application of your sympathy reworded in my way.I get a gut wrenching feeling of sadness whenever Xyz posts come up. It is patently depressing to see a human mind box itself into such a limited view of life. IMHO Xyz instead of embracing life, its lessons and the people present wallows in their own cynicism. This wallowing influences everyones around Xyz and because Xyz thinks he's insignificant in the schemes of things Xyz doesn't thinks it affects other people.That kind of sympathy is flawed, much in the same ways yours was flawed in application to the veterans, because its based on my own perception of what life and how a person should be. Yours was flawed based upon the notion of what you constitute wellness and wholeness.The reality of appropriate sympathy would be to is to talk specifically to them and to ask of their dreams, hopes, accomplishments and past. Or some variation, to get information to create a response that is more appropriate. Not the unreasoning sympathy that is being espoused.IMHO the garbage you were/are espousing is the same kind of garbage that has contributed to the lack of education that is going on in the educational system (as well as many other situations in the workforce etc.). Your kind of, and my made up sample, if reapplied is the kind of stuff that gives individuals a false sense of accomplishment and well being, and when confronted with the reality outside of the closed environment they discover their persona nor experiences was never derived from themselves, instead created by sycophantic lap dogs and that has ultimately crippled a person from being able to handle life w/out extensive reworking of themself. And its also the kind of shit that would make me and others have to work more because the byproducts of the people you make can't do their job right nor have an interest in actually learning it.Also the kind of PC bullshit you are proposing that myself and others pounced on you with, is exactly what those 'militant berkley people' were doing 40 odd years ago. The only difference is, is because you are doing it you think its right, its no more valid and appropriate then it was 40 years ago. Your bullshit coddles peoples and continued usage cripples a person.And no I'm not espousing being blatantly honest about someones shortcomings and pointing out their inabilities. I am an educator trying to get others to reach what they believe their full potential and to help them discover those tools.So whether or not this post comes out as abrasive or not I care not a whit. Frankly I'm sick of the sycophantic hypocritical characterizations of other people and of myself. Especially when looking the posts you generate all I'm reminded of is sick sycophantic cynical educators who feel justified in screwing over education by dumbing it down and screwing over my future job environment in the long run.Edited by Discreet Label, : Addition of more castigation and knee jerk liberal PC ramblings. As well as the stringing together large numbers of descriptive words attached to nouns.

Charity and understanding are only due to those who attempt to move beyond their own understanding which Robin has consistently not attempted to do. He has not attempted to reason through another person's position to try and understand their perception of events and then to evaluate based on that perception. To my understanding and viewing of posts in these veins he has rejected a series of posts based upon the perception they are 60's garbage. Now whether or not they are 60's garbage is one story but since it consistently seems to come up. To me A) it either needs to be addressed or B) he needs to reevaluate what his views are on what PC is and to even establish what PC is such that it can be applied fairly and equally to more posts or C) even to just attempt to reason through another person's post.I have attempted to try and reason through Robin's posting in that prior thread, I even tried to discuss his points with numerous other people, and every single time it came back to a similiar series of conclusions. I will admit Robin does have a streak of excellent posts and I praise him for it, but aside from that I and anyone i've tried to reason through his posts have had a very difficult time trying to understand how he got to his current position and how he supports it. It may be because of his unique philosphical nhilism or something else but in either case something is very difficult to either accept or reason through his writing.Perhaps at some point if he could actually put somewhere and examine his premises or something I could have a better time being understanding and charitable toward him.

Appropriate human empathy that you are talking about is the empathy of bystanders. Its the kinda of empathy that has people sit and watch an accident and ignores a general call to help. Its why EMT and rescue workers are taught to point at people and command them to call a number. It is an empathy of the lazy and the uncaring, the easy way out, its a brief emotional shocker that lasts but a moment. At least that is the kind of empathy, I think you are describing to me. Because I disagree strongly with that form of reaction. Because its a reaction conditioned into the bedrock of America. Feel sorry for the less fortunate and unwhole. To me that is the most disrespectful form of empathy, it eliminates and disrespects the person to the highest degree. It does not seek to understand, it does not seek to learn, its only a cheap thrill, an emotional voyeurism to see, then forget. To go further I percieve it as a superficial reaction, and I am not one to ascribe to superficial reactions for reactions to the superficial create problems that have reprecussions down the road. I would point out that you follow an artificial formula when attempting to discuss the great non-existent flooding, strata and evolution itself, that to me makes no sense because discussion is supposed to be a learning process not a 'repeat the party line' process. So how did that contribute to discussion?But it isn't a formula. Its me pitting against the cultural teachings of emotional voyearism. I see emotional voyearism, the knee jerk reactions, as being a destructive and apathetic cultural norm present in the US. Its a reaction that relieves a person of any responsibility to contribute to the betterment of humanity. Its like saying, oops I feel sorry for their situation, now to move onto something else. Thats very vague, I would wonder what you would have me examine?

Everybody does [insert action word here], why aren't you [insert action word here]?Everybody is [insert religion here], why aren't you [insert religion here]?Herd mentality.

How do you equate herd mentality with living one's life.To my understanding to follow in the herd is to follow someone else's reasons to be in life?Where as living one's life, to me, is to find and discovering personal reasons to live life? Even though ultimately my personal reasons may end up being very similiar to another person's, because there are only so many personal reasons and I can't claim to have a unique reason, but my personal reasons and my investment in them are unique relative to another person's. Would you agree with that?

What is despicable about about that comment? Your reasoning and your thoughts behind your remark would be most welcome. Especially considering when you do decide to explain yourself in the threads, your posts are always extrememly well written and very thoughtful. Whether or not I agree with them is a different point though.

Giving up in this manner, is like an utter self love with your own position. Its a self love that prevents a number of people from actually understanding and learning new things in life. I am not immune to the self love either, I've found that the self love with my position on knowing physics is what killed my ability to understand it.Admittedly I am not immune to being incivil, but I am willing to reexamine what I've put down. And to consider the appropriateness.

Thats an appeal to the harsh cruel world mindset. The world is only as harsh and as cruel as each of us makes it to be.The world can be made better, admittedly its no where near close to all birds and flowers, but every flower grown and every bird hatched is one more step toward a world of birds and flowers.

PC what are you appealing to? You make a comment yet you don't explain how it relates to PC. How has maturity, as defined by adolescent intrusive rudeness, been relegated to becoming PC?

What constitutes a basic knowledge about life? Does it have to be life experiences that are similiar to yours? Do I have to come to the same conclusion as you about life? Yes, I am claiming that. Because (ABE: what you had written has the appearance of) a superficial examination of the situation insetad of examining the situation at a deeper level. No, to ask anyone to solve the world's problems is absurd because it isn't solvable by a solitary person. But everyone can always work to improve the lives around them. I claimed knee jerk reactions are despicable.Edited by Discreet Label, : Whatever is in the ABE parentheisis, added for clarity of writing.