Belief Statements - Robinrohan

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Viewed objectively...

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How does a person do that?

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Life is purposeless, so we make our own purposes and that way we're authentic, but we still need to render ourselves unconscious to tolerate it.

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Maybe it's all that time spent hindered by an alcohol-befuddled brain that is the problem rather than the solution.

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I doubt that Robinrohan actually believes what he claims to. I've seen many of his posts and he strikes me as a fundamentalist Christian creationist who's taking everyone for a ride. That's just the impression that I get from his choice of words and overall attitude.

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Me too.

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All you have to do is think logically.

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"Logical" and "objective" are not the same thing.How does one come to the logical conclusion that, "all purposes are equal"?

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Same thing.

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Nope.Any logic begins with a premise which is an assumption which may or may not be subjective.

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Since they are all subjective, they are all equal. One might as well prefer one color to another.

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"Subjective" is not, by definition, "equal".Show me the logical steps by which you came to your conclusion.

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I'm talking about the logic, not the premises.

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But all logic begins with premises, and those may or may not be subjective.If you begin with subjectivity, it doesn't suddenly become "objective" once you apply the rules of logic.

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It is in terms of being evidence of anything. If one's ideal is subjective, it's no good as evidence.

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Show me the logical steps by which you came to your conclusion.Your original statement was:

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Viewed objectively, all purposes are equal

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I, what you mean to say is, "Relying only on empirical evidence and logic, one can't say one purpose is better than another purpose", then I agree.But you can't then say that there is no basis whatsoever for judging one basis as superior than any other, which is not true.

You assume that everyone has as much trouble looking into their own eyes as you do, ian.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with me.It's such a trajedy that you think that something is fundamentally wrong with you.No wonder my picture bothers you so much.

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Well, obviously that's what I meant.

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No, it isn't obvious at all, nor do I think it's what you said. Maybe it's what you meant.You said, in effect, "it is objectively true that all purposes are of the same value".That is a very different thing from "can't be judged solely empirically".I'll agree it can't be judged solely empirically. But I stop there. I don't then accept the conclusion that they're all the same, only that it can't be judged on this basis. Period.

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I assumed reflection on self whilst doing so.

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Yes, of course.I do not suffer from self-loathing or think myself fundamentally deficient as others seem to, so I can only presume that this is why I am not horribly disturbed by looking in the mirror.

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You can assert that you do do if you like.

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If I had a webcam, I could do a live broadcast of myself doing it.

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But how do you know that you are doing that.

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That's what my brain is telling me, though I could be wrong.

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Schraf, this is such a misrepresentation and it's hard to believe you don't realize that and just enjoy mischaracterizing people.

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I call it like I find it, Faith.I'm not the only one who comes to this conclusion.Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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It's a meanspirited mischaracterization no matter who says it.

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It's not meanspitited.It's an honest impression of iano's feelings about humanity and himself.

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Well then you are no judge of character.

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Possibly, but then there are several people here who are terrible judges of character, because we each seem to have come to a similar conclusion.Or, you could be ignoring or filtering out what is rather obvious to many others here.

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You are mistaking philosophical and Biblical positions for personal character.

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Now you are simply equivocating over semantics....as if either one of you, in a different context, would separate your "personal character" and "philosophical position".You go right ahead and believe what you like about ian's general attitude regarding himself and humanity, and I will do the same.I take his words at face value. Maybe you should as well.