Bush takes one more step toward outright fascism.

All of this about Clinton is lovely, but it is OFF TOPIC!!!!The topic is George H.W. Bush and signs that he is inching the US towards a fascist state.Saying anything at all about Clinton is completely irrelevant.Randman, will you please address my post #44 in this thread?

Clinton and Gore never were prosecuted or convicted.

Because hearsay testimony proves nothing. An anyonymoous associate of a dead man? That's a hearsay allegation, not proof of anything. I asked you to provide something to substantiate those allegations, and all you've done is repeat them.Apparently you don't understand the standard of evidence? Because you're not meeting it. Which is why we're accurately and truthfully asserting that you've provided no evidence. You've provided many posts, to be sure. The problem is that every single one of them contains nothing but assertions. Repeating your assertions doesn't substantiate them.

So court convictions, depositions, first-hand testimonials under oath, etc, etc,....are just "hearsay"?LOL. What a joke, crash? You have become the black knight.

Neither has Bush, nor Nixon for that matter.

We get a moderator action when someone talks about Duddly Dorite but nothing about this off-topic Clinton tirade?Randman is purposfully distracting the topic of this thread and has been asked MANY times to stop. This is not about clinton or any other past president for that matter. Even IF Bush HAD been empowered by the actions of other presidents to do what he is doing he has still made the CHOICE to put himself above the law and the Consitution.It is his actions that make him an elected dictator. He is furthering this country toward fascism and I would like to hear what his fanatics have to say about HIM. NOT CLINTON! THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT GEORGE W. BUSH AND HIS ACTIONS!

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

This thread was just called to the attention of moderators. I'm not going to involve myself in moderation of this thread, but it does sound like a reasonable request to stay on topic.I'm actually posting because I have a comment. The only difference I can see between Clinton and Bush is in the magnitude of their mistakes. Bush was presented the greater opportunities for making tragic mistakes and seems to have taken full advantage of them. I think that one of the great advantages of our system of government is that it minimizes the damage politicians at the top can cause. Bush makes clear that our system still needs improvement. We don't want our top politicians rendered completely impotent, but it would be nice if the fiasco potential could be minimized a bit more.Bush is a lame-duck president. He'll be gone soon, though unfortunately the damage he's done in the Middle East will likely live on for years, even decades. The lesson of Vietnam did not prevent Iraq, and it's very likely that the lesson of Iraq will not prevent some dimwit president from repeating the same mistake some time down the road.--Percy

Enough.One more off-topic post, or one more cut-and-paste job, rand, and you will be suspended.

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So does anyone have anything to say about this latest abuse of power by your moral choice for leader of this country?You all seem to have a lot to say about political issues lately on this forum yet the only defense of Bush given so far has been an off topic and irrelivent rant about Clinton.The silence is incredibly deafening. Just like YECs in science topics, when the position is indefensible, all there is to be heard is the crickets in the night.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

The allegation in the title of this thread is too paranoidally ridiculous for me to have the energy to read through it.

Right. Par for the course. You have a preconcieved notion about something and nobody can say or do anything to ever disturb that. It is pure dogmatism no matter if it is science, religion, or in this case politics. When a significant enough challange is raised you simply dismiss it with condempt (Paranoidally rediculous) and run away rather than address the content of the issue. Really can your main man in office do NOTHING to elicit your criticism? Or if it is so rediculous, can you say nothing in his defense?Once again I point out that the silence is deafening.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

You bet I have a preconceived notion that Bush is not a fascist. The idea is too absurd to even deserve a handwaving.

I think Faith is correct. Your OP lacks all semblance of objectivity and balance. Like all presidents, Bush is a mix of positive and negative qualities, and his administration is a mix of positive and negative outcomes. Those from either political persuasion can selectively use this information to portray him in any light they choose. You chose a negative light, so what.Historians of the future will likely see Bush as a well-meaning president most notable for shepherding the country through the period after the largest ever foreign attack on American soil, and for overreacting to external threats in ways that threatened world peace and stability, and that placed undue and unwarranted pressure on civil liberties. He is neither devil nor angel, and definitely not a fascist.--Percy

Ok Percy. You bring up a good objection. I MAY be going to far by calling him a fascist. Lets try to talk this through.From: Fascism - Wikipedia Lets work backwards starting with anti-liberalism. Following that link on wikipedia we have: That is pretty much the antithesis of everything Bush and by extension his administration has done since they have been in office. If you want to argue this point then we can dive into the finer details of it.Next we have anti-communism and anti-anarchism. Shouldn't be any argument there.Next there is militarism. I think our pre-emptive strike in Iraq among the other policies advanced the state of our military lets us put a check next to that one.Then there is extreme nationalism. Again we can dive into the details of this one if you like but I think it is pretty obvious that this property is true.Next is authoritarianism. This is pretty much the definition of the neo-conservative position as empowered by the religious right. This is also supported by the recent action in the OP, the Patriot Act, the NSA wire tapping, attempts to pass laws such as DOM and anti flag desecration legislation, the rigidity and impracticality of NCLB, anti-choice efforts of the neo-cons in general, and other subversion of legislative and judicial authority by the executive branch.Corporatism....Haliburton...Check!The last criteria would be a radical totalitarian political philosophy. The moment Bush put himself above the Constitution we have this condition. Add to this the actions taken by Bush and other neo-cons to disregard the minority opinion (i.e. "nuclear option", redistricting) and the voting booth becomes merely a way for the citizens of this country to stand in line for awhile to feel good about being "democratic".I am willing to be shown wrong on this. That is why I started this topic. So far though, rather than defending Bush all we have seen is a bunch of people being offended by my use of the word fascist.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)