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Phat
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Message 7 of 33 (332522)
07-17-2006 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by carini
07-16-2006 5:40 PM


The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
carini writes:
Why would god create humans?
We were supposedly made in his image.
But what kind of god would make a species as sick and twisted as human beings? Would that make god sick and twisted?
I personally believe that we humans are made in Gods image. To me, that extrapolates into being made in Gods imagination. When humans imagine, we recreate. When God imagines, He actually creates! Has anyone ever heard the phrase, "There is nothing new under the Sun?"
Well, I believe that there is nothing new under the Son, through whom all things were created. All concepts and ideas. All math, matter, and plausible and possible reality.
I realize that this topic is not about the concept of the Fall per se, but I would advance the theory that we are given a choice in life between allowing Gods imagination....His sweeet Spirit...to permeate our consciousness and guide us along in our decisionmaking processes
or alternatively to live life without acknowledging an intellect that is superior to our own..... thus allowing our own vain imaginations to produce the conflicts, weapons, and competitive squabbles that characterize the human race.
I agree with jar in that humans are both good and bad....and we DO know better, unlike the pack of wolves.
Perhaps the only reason that God allowed evil to exist is to provide a contrast and an example of stubborn independence and callous indifference for us to study and avoid.

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Message 9 of 33 (332543)
07-17-2006 1:05 PM
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07-17-2006 12:14 PM


Re: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
Ringo writes:
If the Good in humans is an image of God, then so must be the Bad and the Ugly.
Thats presupposing that there is only One image.
we are but a reflection of ourselves, and we have a choice of which image we choose to portray.
If I look in a mirror and forget what I look like, who in the heck do I think I am?
I AM?

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Phat
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Message 11 of 33 (333707)
07-20-2006 10:43 AM
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07-16-2006 5:40 PM


Why?
carini writes:
Why would god create humans?
Did He create us as sick and twisted?
carini writes:
what kind of god would make a species as sick and twisted as human beings?
But isn't that a bit like saying that if you had a kid and your kid eventually ended up as a serial killer, the news media came pounding on your door and asked why you and your wife decided to have this kid in the first place!

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Message 13 of 33 (333726)
07-20-2006 11:35 AM
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07-20-2006 11:33 AM


Re: Why?
If I were God, and...
CK writes:
if you had the ability to see the future and knew how it would all turn out?
I would then be faced with deciding IF I should create humans or not.
well....He obviously DID create us...(IF)

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Message 16 of 33 (333949)
07-21-2006 11:22 AM
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07-20-2006 3:20 PM


Industrious or Destructive?
Ringo writes:
Maybe He did forsee that we would be "sick and twisted". Maybe He decided not to "create" us directly but to let us evolve naturally.
The second is the most likely, IMHO. And look at how we are evolving!
Yes, humans are wonderous!
  • We have built dams better than the best beavers.
  • We have flown farther than the strongest birds.
  • We have dug deeper than the most industrious creatures!
  • We have built machines that let us travel faster than a cheetah.
    Our science is impressive, according to our standards. Our literature is varied and rich with character.
    Yet...we are the only species with the potential to destroy ourselves and many living things along with us. Despite our intellectual grasp on the concept of a universe many trillions of times our size, (supposed grasp of understanding, at least) we can't figure out how to get along with each other on this dustspeck called Earth.
    If God is letting us evolve naturally, I wonder how long it will take until we evolve beyond this point of potential destruction?

    “There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way” --C.S.Lewis

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    Phat
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    Message 18 of 33 (333978)
    07-21-2006 12:31 PM
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    07-21-2006 12:08 PM


    Re: Industrious or Destructive?
    Im not sure I follow your reasoning. Apparantly, you believe that God is but a creation of the human mind. If that were as far as this went, we could still be moral and do our best according to the human standards which our internal gods had us adhere to. In that regard, humans are responsible for doing the best that they can.
    Even the Bible supports that idea, according to Charles Stanleys daily devotional this morning.
    Charles Stanley writes:
    Christ will not judge believers by their sin ” it has been forgotten (Jeremiah 31:34). Instead, He will ask His children for an account “according to what [each] has done, whether good or bad” (2 Corinthians 5:10).
    We won’t be judged on how well our conduct matched our understanding of good and bad; instead, our actions will be assessed on the basis of whether they count for God or for personal gain.
    We may be quite surprised at the many actions we carried out as a natural extension of our love and desire for a godly life but which Jesus will credit as service to Him. Likewise, the deeds we performed for the applause of men will burn up like hay and stubble in a fire (1 Corinthians 3:10-15).
    I can see that IF a person believed that God was merely an internal manifestation of individual morality, a person would stillneed to follow the standard which they themselves set internally.

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