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riVeRraT
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Message 106 of 112 (326324)
06-26-2006 6:02 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by rgb
06-26-2006 2:32 AM


Re: howdi, rat!
You know, you can hide in your abstract humor all you want. The real issues will still exist, and I have no trouble seeing right through it all.
However, I still don't feel your being honest with us.
From what you've told us, you've done a lot of changing, so all of a sudden your into absolutes? Or are you just a liar? I am calling you on it.
What I suspect happened with your case is you developed more self-control. The temper is still there, but you have found a way to cage it.
Of course you would suspect that, since you can't possibly see a way for your own temper to change. Maybe your just too mad at the world. But by the same token, maybe your on your first step of being released from your temper, by admitting you can't change.
I said it changed, I didn't say it went away. It has dimished by 90% or better. It is not caged.
In the blink of an eye, God showed me some cool stuff. I have gone into it detail in this forum. When revelation hits you like that, then you are released from the very things that make you angry. You also realize that it's just not worth it. Having a temper is locking yourself in your own prison so to speak. I couldn't see that until God showed it to me. With each person I am angry at, I place another bar in my prison. By releasaing my anger to God, and allowing Him to deal with it, has led me to witness some miraculous things.
There are 9 gifts associated with the Holy Spirit. One of them is wisdom. In the blink of an eye you can become instantly wiser. Only fools let their temper control them, then sin in their anger. I am still guilty of it, but not to the extent I was before. I guess God still has a few more things to do to me, since I can't seem to do it myself.
Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

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rgb
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Message 107 of 112 (326474)
06-26-2006 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by riVeRraT
06-26-2006 6:02 AM


Re: howdi, rat!
Ok, no humor this time.
riverrat writes
quote:
The real issues will still exist, and I have no trouble seeing right through it all.
What would the real issues be?
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However, I still don't feel your being honest with us.
Honest about what, the children part or the gay marriage part?
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From what you've told us, you've done a lot of changing, so all of a sudden your into absolutes?
If anything, I've moved as far away from absolutes as I can.
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Or are you just a liar?
I'll think about this one.
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I am calling you on it.
See, that's just it. What are you calling me on? Is it the gay marriage issue or the children part? Or is it the temper part?
The temper part is just my opinion. The children part is my vow. The gay marriage part is my plagarizing.
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Of course you would suspect that, since you can't possibly see a way for your own temper to change. Maybe your just too mad at the world. But by the same token, maybe your on your first step of being released from your temper, by admitting you can't change.
Riverrat, what we have here are two people (you and me) sharing our own opinions on a subject, in this case whether a person's temper can change or not. There is no reason for you lose your temper over this.
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I said it changed, I didn't say it went away. It has dimished by 90% or better. It is not caged.
I've talked to many people about this issue. From what I have gathered, the best way to be able to tell whether it's changed or it's only be caged in is whether you have those very rare very short but intense outbursts. These outbursts can include a sudden jerking movement, a sudden high screetched noise called yelling, or a sudden maddening of your personality.
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In the blink of an eye, God showed me some cool stuff. I have gone into it detail in this forum. When revelation hits you like that, then you are released from the very things that make you angry. You also realize that it's just not worth it. Having a temper is locking yourself in your own prison so to speak. I couldn't see that until God showed it to me. With each person I am angry at, I place another bar in my prison. By releasaing my anger to God, and allowing Him to deal with it, has led me to witness some miraculous things.
There are 9 gifts associated with the Holy Spirit. One of them is wisdom. In the blink of an eye you can become instantly wiser. Only fools let their temper control them, then sin in their anger. I am still guilty of it, but not to the extent I was before. I guess God still has a few more things to do to me, since I can't seem to do it myself.
It is not that I don't believe you. It is that I doubt what you experienced were real. But don't mind me, if a spiritual event(s) changed you for the better, I commend you.

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nator
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Message 108 of 112 (326504)
06-26-2006 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by mike the wiz
06-24-2006 9:27 AM


Re: bump for Mike
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I don't recall the scriptures but perhaps they were addressed to the immediate apostles?
No. Paul's letters were instructions to various peoples which he had, or was hoping to, convert.
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I don't remember anything said about women's judgement being inferior to men's.
(1 Tim 2:13-14 NRSV) For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
Please note the use of the word "for" above. Below is the list of rules regarding women's behavior, and the above statement is the justification.:
(1 Cor 14:34 NRSV) women should be silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as the law also says.
(1 Cor 14:35 NRSV) If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
(1 Tim 2:11 NRSV) Let a woman learn in silence with full submission.
(1 Tim 2:12 NRSV) I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent.
Good Christian women, according to the NT, must submit to men, learn in silence, and are forbidden to teach or have authority over any man, because Eve was deceived and became a transgressor.
This is what the Bible directs, mike.
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I know what you're doing, young woman. You're trying to say I have a double standard.
There is no try, mike.
Only do.
And I have.
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That I disregard some biblical musings etc.
Hey, you are the one who said he followed God's rules regardless of "man's way" or somesuch.
There's more...
1 Cor 1:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing
Clo 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
Tim 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
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...I don't go to church but if I did, there might be found the best way, to observe the rules. It might be that there is an inexplicable reason for why things work best under certain guidelines.
Whatever, mike.
Just answer the questions.
Do you follow the Biblical rules regarding women or not?
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For example, men might be right-thumber, and so therefore can preach a better wisdom, or something like that.
In mike-church the women can only wear bikinis, and they can only use tongues.(pun intended)
But it's what God says that counts, not what mike says.
Right, mike.
I just told you what Paul says that God says. I just gave you a whole bunch of unambiguous directives straight from the NT.
Do you accept them or not?
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But what do you say? How would you say I was going wrong as a believer concerning this issue?
As a believer? I have no idea how or if you are going wrong. That's not for me to determine.
But I can tell you that you have a double sandard, saying that you refuse to condone homosexuality because of the Bible, yet ignoring the Bible's repeated and clear commands of women.
In fact, the Bible is much more adamant regading the submission of women to men if the number of times such a directive is repeated is any indication.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 437 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 109 of 112 (326557)
06-26-2006 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by rgb
06-26-2006 1:11 PM


Re: howdi, rat!
If anything, I've moved as far away from absolutes as I can.
Then you can change.
From what I have gathered, the best way to be able to tell whether it's changed or it's only be caged in is whether you have those very rare very short but intense outbursts
Well they weren't so rare back in the day. Now it is. The thing is, I don't feel what used to drive me to that point anymore. I realized what was causing most of it, and why I acted the way I did. In the snap of a finger, that happened for me. I know people that can go to therapy for years, and never have progress like that.
if a spiritual event(s) changed you for the better, I commend you.
That is why knowing people like you is so important. To actually make sure it is for the better. I am still just like you, just tweaked from my old self.

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rgb
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Message 110 of 112 (326923)
06-27-2006 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by riVeRraT
06-26-2006 5:34 PM


Re: howdi, rat!
riverrat writes
quote:
Then you can change.
Rat, there are certain things in the world that we can change and there are things that we can't. For example, your fingerprints, blood type, and brainwave pattern.
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Now it is. The thing is, I don't feel what used to drive me to that point anymore.
So, it's still there.
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I realized what was causing most of it, and why I acted the way I did. In the snap of a finger, that happened for me. I know people that can go to therapy for years, and never have progress like that.
Not that I doubt you, but...
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That is why knowing people like you is so important. To actually make sure it is for the better. I am still just like you, just tweaked from my old self.
Do you want to impale people? Do you want to skin people alive? If not, you are not like me

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 437 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 111 of 112 (326994)
06-27-2006 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by rgb
06-27-2006 6:42 PM


Re: howdi, rat!
Do you want to impale people? Do you want to skin people alive? If not, you are not like me
I used to work in a mental health building from time to time. The one where they kept son of Sam. Kings County mental ward, in NY.
I asked a lot of questions there, and if there is one thing I learned, it's that we are all just a few steps away from losing it to any degree, and even to the point of not knowing who we are. It only takes the right set of events in ones life to make you break.
Are your experiences going to control you, or are you going to control your experiences?

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2ice_baked_taters
Member (Idle past 5873 days)
Posts: 566
From: Boulder Junction WI.
Joined: 02-16-2006


Message 112 of 112 (329210)
07-06-2006 4:10 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by rgb
06-23-2006 6:54 PM


People (especially women) who have been in abusive relationships would disagree with you.
They are simply lying to themselves.
I'm a bit curious about you. Would you consider a law to suppose to represent the majority rule or protect minority rights?
A law will represent the majority or it will not remain a law.

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