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Author Topic:   Belief Statement - jar
Brian
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Message 273 of 300 (328075)
07-01-2006 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Phat
07-01-2006 6:06 PM


Re: Love God, how can I do that?
However....what I would like to see is a column from Brian on his beliefs and why he has developed them.
Take too long to type up, and it would be too boring to read.
Brian.

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Brian
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From: Scotland
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Message 286 of 300 (328326)
07-02-2006 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by jar
07-01-2006 6:42 PM


Moving goalposts?
Well, since I disagree with your analysis, I don't really see any point to continuing. I see the Primary commandment as Love GOD. The others are explanations of how one does that.
Things have appeared to have changed Jim.
Firstly we had two commandments, now we have one commandment and now we have some 'others' from somewhere.
We can come back to this, but what you appear to be ignoring is the logical problem that your initial statement has.
When you say that loving God is done without the knowledge of the doer, it is done because the do gooder is doing something good, hence they are loving God. This negates the command to love God as it is an automatic result of loving others, there is absolutely no need to have the commandment to love God, you only need to tell people to love others.
It isn't hard to understand Brian, Love GOD, love others as you love yourself.
I know it isn't difficult to understand, but I have extreme difficulty harmonising this with scripture. For example, it makes a mockery of the crucifixion and resurrection, it also makes a mockery of Jesus charging the apostles to preach the Gospel.
The love others as you love yourself is essentially the Golden Rule, which has been around a lot longer than Jesus, so people knew this rule (the Jews certainly did) and there was no need for Jesus to come to earth.
It really is as simple as that.
And it simply ignores far too much of the Bible. What about sin, sacrifice, repentence, rebirth, you just seem to pick a tiny little piece out of the Bible and call it Christianity. With the faith you have you could basically call yourself anything you wanted to. Why not call yourself a Jew, or a Hindu?
If you wish to believe that you are not saved, then that is fine.
I am definitely condemned according to the Bible.
However, I believe that after you die you will be judged, not on some profession of belief, but rather on the life you lived.
Which is not Christianity, and certainly not what Jesus said you have to do to be saved.
This is a belief statement Brian, what I believe. It is not a sermon, not an Epistle, not a gospel, just a statement of what I believe.
I know, and I am interested in how you come to call it Christianity.
see the Primary commandment as Love GOD
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Jesus seems to disagree with you, He seems to think there are two seperate commandments.
Also, Jesus' primary commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. I am having difficulty harmonising Jesus' words with your version that's all.
Loving God with all your heart, soul and mind cannot be satisfied by your criteria. To love someone this way you really need to be at least thinking about them and not rejecting them.
It is interesting that Jesus makes this statement becuase it is consistent with God's jealous nature that is reported in the Old Testament. Love God first with everything you got and THEN love others as you love yourself, this is what Jesus said, which is not quite what you are promoting.
I suppose one more Xian sect won't make much difference.
Brian.

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Brian
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Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 288 of 300 (328329)
07-02-2006 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by GDR
07-02-2006 5:01 PM


Re: Jar On Salvation
When I was a Christian I felt that it was because I loved Jesus that good deeds flowed automatically, doing good was not something I had to think about, it was just the way things were.
What I am wondering is if Jar has got things the wrong way round. Instead of loving others first and this some way shows that you love God, doesn't it make more sense that by loving God with all your heart, soul and mind, (which Jesus says is the most important commandment)would result in the joy of knowing God which would automatically fill you with love for your fellow humans and thus you would do what you could for them?
Brian.

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