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Author Topic:   Opinions and conclusions about Religion and God.
jar
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Message 69 of 280 (321445)
06-14-2006 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by PurpleYouko
06-14-2006 12:01 PM


Re: very depressing view!
Oh that's OK then. I certainly have a conscience and regret all the petty and nasty things that I have done in my life (even if some were justified). Sounds like I might already be in the process of being 'saved' then without even realizing it.
IMHO there is not much doubt that you are saved. That is pretty much a given. The things you mention are very important and there is just one other step. In addition to what you mentioned so far, you also need to really try to do what is right in the future. You probably won't fully succeed, but even then if you have really tried, you'll do just fine.
It really is that simple.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 73 of 280 (321452)
06-14-2006 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by PurpleYouko
06-14-2006 12:21 PM


Not a Problem.
I think it is likely that I will continue to be a weak atheist until such time as God makes him(her)self known to me in a way that is utterly unambiguous to me. Personally, I don't think that is ever going to happen since I strongly suspect that there is no God there but that cannot be proven. Either way it isn't going to affect the way I live my life.
No problem. If I'm right you'll get just that type of evidence, a face to face meeting. If I'm wrong you will have still lived the best possible life and so we all benefit.
It really is a win-win situation.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 206 of 280 (326418)
06-26-2006 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by CK
06-26-2006 10:41 AM


Re: Here come da judge!
Having said that I don't think I've ever seen anyone manage to combine the "fluffy" jesus and your stance on the matter here in any coherent manner. Most of the (christian) posters seem to rely pretty much on one or the other.
I'm not quite sure what the "fluffy jesus" point of view is or who it is that expresses whatever it is. I do see the term get tossed around pretty freely.

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jar
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Message 215 of 280 (326465)
06-26-2006 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by iano
06-26-2006 12:44 PM


I think that is an apt description of most Christians, unfortunately.
iano writes:
If I was certain that there was no afterlife, etc. (although it is actually impossible to be certain of this) then "eat, drink, be merry - for tomorrow we die" would most definitely be my philosophy.
And I wouldn't have any reason to let anyone stand in my way of so living. If that meant having to do what I had to do then I would have no reason not to do it.
Unfortunately I believe that is an apt description of far too many Christians and infact, members of other religions as well. They have no internal compass, no concious, no personal ethics. They can only exist within society when there is some external force that makes them fear not behaving in a civilized manner, and should that coercive factor falter, they resort to tyranny and sociopathic behavior.
That is NOT IMHO the message of either the Bible, Christianity or any other religion.
IMHO the message of Christianity is quite different from what iano espouses. GOD gave us the gift of knowing right from wrong and has charged each of us to try to do what is right and to try to avoid doing what is wrong.
It realy is as simple as that.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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