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arachnophilia

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Message 15 of 27 (326258)
06-26-2006 12:40 AM

Reply to: Message 14 by PetVet2Be
06-26-2006 12:34 AM

actually, that question is totally irrelevent to evolution. big bang cosmology, sure -- but that has nothing to do with the variation of heritble features from one generation to the next in biological creatures on this particular planet.

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Message 17 of 27 (326271)
06-26-2006 1:11 AM

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06-26-2006 1:02 AM

Of course its relevant.

suppose i am studying the history of automobile design. we're looking at all the shapes that chevies and fords go through, versus japanese cars, etc.

is the formation of the universe relevant to the discussion? further, since this discussion is about the formation of the universe, is the history of automobile design relevant to the formation of the universe?

So the question still stands where did the original matter come from.

and the answer to that question has nothing to do with evolution, at all.

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Message 21 of 27 (326298)
06-26-2006 2:36 AM

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06-26-2006 2:23 AM

Why then do text books teach the big bang as the beginning of the universe?

big bang ≠ evolution. no matter what kent hovind told you.

"evolution" is the variation of heritable features in a population from one generation to the next.

"the theory of evolution" or colloqually "Evolution" with a capital e is the study of how that above fact has affected the history of the development of life on this planet.

neither of these is related to the big bang. the theory of evolution is marginally related to abiogenesis, or the origin of life. but that is a separate field. astronomy and cosmology is even further removed.

it is not a "catch-all" mythology designed to explain everything without a need for god.

Because if they do not they must accept God did it and the Bible already tells how God and they dont like how he did it so they have to come up with something to fill the gap.

unfortunately, the bible is not a science textbook.

This is why many Christians can be discredited. They compromised on their beliefs and threw out the first several chapters of their Bibles.

you've thrown out several chapters of your bible. if you'd like, in the appropriate forum, we can discuss which parts you ignore.

If the beginning of the Bible is not true then the whole thing is unbelievable.

all-or-nothing fundamentalism is a dangerous thing, petvet. it costs many people their faith.

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Message 23 of 27 (326303)
06-26-2006 2:59 AM

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06-26-2006 2:57 AM

Re: Is evolution or big bang related to the OP???

yes, you are right. i was starting with the "religion in religion fora" and "science in science fora" but really, the whole damned thing is off topic.