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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Quick question Jazz.
Do you know of any branches of Christianity that promote a faith that denies Jesus' divinity as a valid path to God? Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Nah, a single person is a heretic
Edited by Brian, : spelling
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
The question was to enquire as to how many other's share Jar's beliefs. For all I know it may be a recognised branch of Christianity that I haven't heard of. Which leads exactly to my follow up questions for you which in a nutshell were asking why that matters. You are making a statement about the validity of his position and also asking about the relative frequency of people who share his beliefs. Were those two points really unrelated? Please clarify because it seems as though you are retreating from a part of your position. Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3939 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
Forgive me if I missed it. Where did Jar deny the divinity of Jesus? Honestly I may have missed it. That certainly would be a minority position to hold and still be called a Christian. I still think though it could potentially be valid as long as that person thought of Christianity as being a follower of the principles of Christ.
The point for me is simply who am I to judge another person's belief. That is maybe just part of my personality. I may personally consider their belief to be strange, wrong, or even offensive but I certainly don't feel I have the right as a human being to say that they aren't what they claim. Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)
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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Merely interested if Jar knows if this is a popular belief system.
Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Forgive me if I missed it. Where did Jar deny the divinity of Jesus? I didn't say he denied Jesus' divinity. What he did say is that following a faith that denies Jesus' divinity (Islam)is a valid path to salvation. Given that Jesus said the only way to the Father is through Jesus Himself, I cannot see how following Islam can be compatible with a very basic Christian teaching. Islam considers the Incarnation as an abomination, and the Incarnation is a basic xian teaching.
The point for me is simply who am I to judge another person's belief. Jar can call himself whatever he wants, that's up to him. I have a cat here with a beak, two wings, and is covered in feathers, it is a cat isn't it? Brian.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
While I personally believe Jesus is divine, what I have said, and will willingly repeat, is that even if Jesus never lived, if he was but a myth told around the campfires, the message of GOD and of the Bible would still be true.
Love GOD and love others as you love yourself. It really is that simple. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
If it were possible that Jesus was a myth told around campfires, is it equally possible that love God and love you neighbour is also a myth. Why is this particularity true when/if Jesus isn't?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
iano writes: If it were possible that Jesus was a myth told around campfires, is it equally possible that love God and love you neighbour is also a myth. Why is this particularity true when/if Jesus isn't? Because Love GOD and love others as you love yourself is still the best possible message for building a life for you and for all around you. It doesn't matter if it is myth, folktale or old wives tale, the message is still true. It really is as simple as that. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
This presupposes that that is Gods aim. Is it possible that that is a subjective notion born out of a personal philosopy as to how best the world should work. God in your own image as it were?
How does one find out whether this actually springs from God
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Brian Member (Idle past 4987 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Because Love GOD and love others as you love yourself is still the best possible message for building a life for you and for all around you. It doesn't matter if it is myth, folktale or old wives tale, the message is still true. But, this isn't xianity. Brian.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
This presupposes that that is Gods aim. Is it possible that that is a subjective notion born out of a personal philosopy as to how best the world should work. God in your own image as it were? How does one find out whether this actually springs from God The point is it does not matter. Love GOD and love others as you love yourself is true regardless of the source. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5900 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
But, this isn't xianity. Funny, but I usually agree with most everything you write, Brian (must be the Scots ancestry - or possibly merely the Scotch - in me). However, in this case I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Jar's professed beliefs seem to me to have quite a few elements of arianism and monarchianism (without the adoptionist bits, AFAICT). Whereas these systems are considered heretical, they are nonetheless Christian, if anti-trinitarian. OTOH, I've accused ( ) jar of being a closet deist because his faith is highly inclusive, rather than the typical exclusionist doctrines of most organized Christian faiths. It's actually rather refreshing - someone who thinks there are multiple paths to the ultimate goal. Even if I don't agree with him on what that ultimate goal might be.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And your point is? I'm sorry but that is just so silly a post.
Of course that is not Christianity. Who ever said it was? It is, however, the message of GOD and of Christianity. To be a Christian, as opposed to being a member of some other religion, requires that the person accept certain minimal beliefs. I have said that I am a cradle Creedal Christian, member of the Episcopal Church, part of the Anglican Communion. But that is club membership. It is not me. It is not the sum of my beliefs. Most certainly, it is not GOD. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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