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John Williams Member (Idle past 5025 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
Giant sized footprints? lol, you must be refering to the Paluxy prints.
those were clearly misidentified Dino tracks.
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Damouse Member (Idle past 4932 days) Posts: 215 From: Brookfield, Wisconsin Joined: |
There isnt really evidence saying that there was a water canipy other than the fact that it says the water came pooring from the heavens etc...I think it is something more to make sense of it i guess...it would explain giant size human footprints found i guess I see. so when you have an idea, build a theory out of it. Once you have a theory, imagine facts to support it. Once you have your "facts", invent supporting evidence for them. Good one. If i dare to say theres no possible scientific reason behind a "water canonpy" (speaking of which, where did it go?) The response will be "God put it there". And hence the point where we say no and you say yes, where we have physics and you have no proof. But... "There really isn't evidence saying that there was a water canopy..." So you even know that this was made up to explain something that didn't happen. This is most definatly a "biblical Tall Tale"
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1370 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Giant sized footprints? lol, you must be refering to the Paluxy prints. those were clearly misidentified Dino tracks. they weren't misidentified. the paleontologists who first found, cataloged and studied them knew exactly what they were. they were misrepresented by creationists.
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Damouse Member (Idle past 4932 days) Posts: 215 From: Brookfield, Wisconsin Joined: |
it would explain giant size human footprints found i guess Misinterpereted by creationists? Who would do that?Again the realm of unprovable, created ideas. Edited by Damouse, : Sp -I believe in God, I just call it Nature -One man with an imaginary friend is insane. a Million men with an imaginary friend is a religion. -People must often be reminded that the bible did not arrive as a fax from heaven; it was written by men.
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Jesus Addict Inactive Member |
It is a theory jus like evolution is too...Evolution is a theory based on what?...
And the bible says that in the flood rain came from the heavens and below the earth...so that would explain where the canopy went to.
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CK Member (Idle past 4154 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: Decades of care research by 100,000s of experts in various physical sciences? Do you understand what "theory" means in science?
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Damouse Member (Idle past 4932 days) Posts: 215 From: Brookfield, Wisconsin Joined: |
It is a theory jus like evolution is too...Evolution is a theory based on what?...
roflAnd the bible says that in the flood rain came from the heavens and below the earth...so that would explain where the canopy went to. -evolution is a theory based on facts. -Creation is an idea based on 2-4000 year old hearsay, no facts, and no way of proving it. as to the "went below the earth" statement, im to lazy to take the height of everest in relation of the center of the earth, then take the radius from sea level to the center, find volumes of both spheres, then subtract for the minimum amount of water that had fallen during the flood. Law of conservation of energy and matter: nothing can be created or destroyed (except for certain exceptions). Therefor that titanic figure that was the amount of floodwater must have gone someplace; if it had gone underground, it would still be there now. -I believe in God, I just call it Nature -One man with an imaginary friend is insane. a Million men with an imaginary friend is a religion. -People must often be reminded that the bible did not arrive as a fax from heaven; it was written by men. -Religion is the opiate of the masses
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MUTTY6969 Member (Idle past 6217 days) Posts: 65 From: ARIZONA Joined: |
Jesus Addict writes "It is a theory jus like evolution is too...Evolution is a theory based on what?..."
I think your definition of theory as it pertains to science is a little off. It is not a fat drunk guy on a couch looking at his buddy and saying hey I got a theory, that is not the same as the definition used by a scientists which refers to a logical, tested, well-supported explanation for a great variety of facts. Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5025 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
Well, I don't know of any archaeological evidence that people even in 'pre-flood' Mesopotamia (5000 years ago?) would have averaged only 3 feet tall. People even back then were actually averaging around 5'3 or 5'5 for men, but certainly I could see how a solidly built 7' man could very well seem twice as tall as an average guy at first glance.
When the bible mentions king Og or Goliath, it does seem there are true historical kernels, but extraoplated and condensed into the Hebrew chronicles. The giants are always the bad guys as it were. Based on the earliest readings of Samuel, Goliath was infact around 6'7 and wore 100 lbs of Mycenaean style armor. The Philistines seem to have been of a taller Anatolian or Aagean stalk, perhaps averaging 5'10 or 6 feet in stature. The king Og described in Deutoronomy and Numbers, seems to represent a conglomerant of Aramean and Ammonite traditions concerning an ancient Bashanite ruler of great stature whome the Israelites later added locale lore to. The "Iron Bedstead" may have referred to his ancient Tomb or Sarcophagus (13ft long) was known during the time Deutoronomy was compiled c.700 bc. Whatever the case, these giants seem to have grown throughout the centuries, capturing the imagination of biblical readers by their brute strength and unimaginable wickedness. But in modern terms, I'd just say that the ancient Jews were simply prejudice against their taller neighbors who may have been of caucasoid or Dinaric bodybuild which could account for a 5-6 inch height advantage above the shorter Semites. Whatever the case, height was a respected quality in ancient times. King Saul was "head and shoulders" above average people (Sam. chpt.9) and this was evidently a noble and distinguishing quality. The names, Anak, Rephaim, and Nephilim, do seem to echo ancient Canaanite traditions of a tall and strong warrior class in the ancient past who were later immortalized and re-introduced into ancient Hebrew history. All of this is very intriguing to hypothesis though.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 638 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
There is a difference in the height mentioned in the story of David and Golliath in the DDS, and from the masoric text (which from around the same time period). The version of the Dead sea scrolls had Goliath's height at 4 cubits (about 6'4 inches), while the standard text used today has it at 6 cubits (over 9 feet).
6'4 inches sounds much more reasonable. And, when people were only 5'3/5'4 on average, definately a big enough difference to promote aweat height.
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5025 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
I agree there ramoss, a 6'4 guy would seem pretty huge back in the day.
Scholars believe that the DSS Samuel texts are from about 200 bc and agree very well with the earliest Greek Septuagint which was translated in 200 bc aswell. Both texts state that Goliath was "four cubits and a span" tall, and this seems to retain the most ancient of the traditions. 4 cubits roughly equaled 5'10-6ft.1 span = 8-9 in. This makes Goliath roughly 2 meters, and if you add his hundred lb armor and fancy bronze helmet, he'd probably seem 8 ft tall to the Hebrews.
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Tryannasapien Rex Junior Member (Idle past 4625 days) Posts: 21 Joined: |
the bible is a gross contradiction period.
heres one example, god orders abraham to murder Issac's his son. and gods word "you know he's commandment's" says u shall not kill. so Abraham is screwed ether way ether he breaks the law and obeys god or keeps the law and disobeys god hmmmm what to do? just because Abraham didn't actually kill his son doesn't let him off the hook because he was willing to kill the innocent for his god makes him a murderer. don't think for one minute u can justify breakin the law becuase ur god oders u to because sin is sin. remember jesus said if u think to sin your just as guilty as if u did sin when u kill someone else and its not self defense or an accident its murder! period! u don't get to use your own son as some animal sacrifice! your perfect god is a joke to have created such a flawed test just proves that ur god is man created one can clearly see that this story is just an attempt to promote the evil idea known as slavery and this father figure up in the sky as the tool to promote it
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5025 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
Homo rex, "thou shalt not kill" is one of the cammandments given to Moses in the stone tablets at Mt Horeb. Abram was centuries earlier than the Moses story.
Killing first born was an ancient tradition the Canaanites and neighboring peoples used as a sacred right to appease the gods so that famine wouldn't strike the land. Abram would't have been too out of place in ancient times, sacrificing his firstborn to El. Sacrifice and murder, unlike in modern America, were not seen as the same in many ancient civilizations. Indeed, some sacrifice victims considered it a privalge that they were chosen.
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